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[–] 122 points 1 week ago (88 children)

I mean sure, ignore the protests from earlier this year where millions turned out across the nation, but sure..

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    which sparse ones are you referencing? It seems like you are wondering why CNBC isn't showing you all the local protests even in conservative towns?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 week ago (67 children)

    And did what? They didn't disrupt anything. Parades on weekends are good for raising awareness, I'm not going to say they are useless. But they are fundamentally different from the other examples given.

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  • [–] 89 points 1 week ago (52 children)

    Gotten shot and killed by lowest-bidder wannabe cops, who faced zero consequences. And our wannabe dictator said there would be no consequences for killing protesters. The reality is living conditions aren’t bad enough yet for most people to be willing to risk that.

    So as it turns out, violence and fear tactics do work…

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  • [–] 51 points 1 week ago (42 children)

    I’ve often been surprised at how living in America is perceived by the world. I’ve met a lot of people from all over the world, and while some have actually spent enough time here to understand the good and the bad. The rest who have not seem to believe in the shiny veneer that we export in our movies and television.

    We are absolute wage slaves here. We are one missed paycheck from homelessness. But sure, blame the slaves for not overthrowing their owners.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    I can make this simple: would you be the first to step in front of the firing squad when you have no idea if others will join you in rushing it?

    We are not a united people here.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    This might be it, because you do pay change for the better with blood, the history is filled with it. The army is brought in, it goes overboard and they open fire on protesters, in every country everywhere throughout history, before people realise what's happening.

    Good luck Americans, this seems to be your turn.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    I know that. No one is saying you as an individual need to do this right now. We are saying you need to organize. I think this is a cultural misunderstanding.

    When I say 'you' I am not referring to an individual. Im referring to you as a people. Maybe that misunderstanding is evidence of the hyper individualism your country has subtly snuck into your lives that prevents you (again a collective you) from doing so.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    What did you think I meant by, “we are not a united people”?

    You can’t organize peace with people who idealize a fascist society

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (14 children)

    You dont need everyone to mount a resistance. Why does it have to be all or nothing? And who said you had to organize peace with fascists?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    You need enough, and we don’t even have that.

    Come live here for a while and then tell me how easy it is.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    I have lived there. Ive been involved in community action during the first administration. If you believe its impossible, youve already lost.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    So you could have stayed and fought... but you left and are now yelling from the sidelines.

    I agree with a lot of your points, but it rings a bit disingenuous coming from someone who threw in the towel.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Not upset with you at all, nor do I blame you for wanting to be with your family. Just as I don't blame the many Americans who are prioritizing the immediate needs of their families.

    But you are giving yourself the grace and understanding that you have repeatedly refused to give to others.

    Call me a cunt, get offended, run with "the only moral excuse is my excuse" narrative all you want. But it would do you some good to realize your reasons to move are not so different from the people you are condemning.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I’ll add to what Valmond said.

    Not once did you advocate for a violent solution. You’re right, it’s either nothing or an extreme with these people, and excuses at every point.

    They have enough to do a national peaceful shutdown. 60% in the urban areas for two weeks, which is hardly enough time to starve or be evicted, and at those numbers after it’s done, it’ll be impossible to replace that many jobs or go through with the evictions.

    You’re right. Churchill was right, let them pile on…if they showed this much unity piling on the way they do to the mirror across social networks toward a national shutdown, solving their problems and voting for fucks sake, they’d solve this.

    If they turned out to vote at 80-90% all the time, there’d be daylight between them and the current best performing democracies in the world.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    No one is coming to save you.

    Yeah, because they're all too busy enacting fascism in their own country to do anything about the growing US threat except lick boots. Save us? Lmao you better be thinking about saving yourself once the consequences start rolling in.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    No, I meant this part:

    do anything about the growing US threat

    "No one is coming to save you" is such a petty, disgusting thing to say when the people you're looking down on are being turned into the cogs of a machine that has the entire world in its sights. The world needs to save itself from us.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    The Chinese aren’t protesting either. For similar reasons too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (8 children)

    They’re some of that forced slave labor making the goods that the Americans are wage slaves to consume.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Yeah, in America control is done with Circus & Bread, with the "Circus" being not just Entertainment (which includes "Faux News") but also hyper-consumerism, whilst the control via "Bread" being with things like Private Healtcare and Student Loans.

    People run around happily being shafted (and not even in a good, sexy way) as long as they have the latest smartphone and claim they pay much less tax than Europe whilst paying for the by far most expensive Healthcare and Higher Education in the World (both in average being actually worse - worst healthcare outcomes and most universities also worst - than in other countries).

    How many Americans are actually politically aware and willing to fight for their rights?!

    Mind you, some of this shit has been exported and at least here in Europe adopted to quite an extent, though clearly nowhere as much as in the US, though not for lack of trying.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Oh, I see.

    I don't think the US can be said to be exerting imperialist power over the Chinese though. China is probably the place least vulnerable to the US trade sanctions, for example.

    Imperialism is the export of capital and the import of resources, profit from capital and labour.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Protests are not the only option, but when asked why Americans are not making meaningful resistance the argument always boils down to: We have protests! Or We can't protest!

    Perhaps the most cursory look at why these actions are successful in different countries is worth a gander. It's not that France couldn't crush every protest with their military.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    The difference is the US 100% will and won’t even apologize for it. Then the state oligarch run media will say they were “Terrorists”. Hell, the black lives matters protests in Oregon they spent weeks showing the “devastation” the protesters caused, it was like one square block and they had police dressing like protesters instigating the violence so they could disappear people.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Mainstream media are doing exactly the same in France and they all belong to, oh wait, some right wing billionaire.

    It’s almost like someone somewhere is showing the user manual to the others.

    Edit: It’s even worse than that. They are saying all the bad guys are extreme leftist from LFI (the most successful left party), gouvernement is somewhat implying the same and some officials even said they should remove this party from power and the upcoming presidential election. They are trying to make the opposition illegal and pave the way for the Fascist. It’s a fucking shit show, of course we need to riot and burn the system, that’s the only thing they are afraid of.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Yea, unless I miss interpreted you were saying yes France could crush protests, my point is that they most likely won’t, where in the US they will, and people know they will. see Kent State.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    News are circling around the 3% (some are allegedly undercover cops, some are from fascist groups, and more ofc.) that break things, so yeah France is doing the same thing. No talk about why, only about that poor person that got their window smashed. 24/7.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    are motherfuckers in the us still not aware of trump???

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    it's also helpful to fight against tyranny though

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    then.. go fight tyranny then?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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  • If you go your whole life hearing it's your god given right to have all the privilege and comfort you have (which is still a pittance in comparison to the rich but more than the people exploited to provide cheap goods) it's hard to risk them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Sorry to comment twice. But are you actually real? Like a human with breath and a beating heart? You don’t fundamentally understand that difference here? These people are fighting, the “demonstrations” in America have had zero bite, and any real fight in them has been squashed by their own people. You HAVE to see that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    So when you say france only obtained a curfew you show that you don’t understand those two countries political landscapes.

    What else did they gain? After the riots support Le Pen grew. You really think this is good for the left and our fight?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Oh so you're one of those people. You think you are 100% right, and absolutely nothing will change your mind.

    No need to discuss further, because you are just changing your tube to any new information that contradicts what you said before. For example if I say we already do mobilise, build support to elect Glucksman, you will only spew some other bs.

    No need to respond.

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