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Conservatives Speak Out In Support Of Convoy Organizers (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 15 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I guess it comes down to your definition of "forced". People were forced to get the vaccine in the same way they are forced to not walk around with a gun indiscriminately firing bullets - you're welcome to do it in the privacy of your own home (as long as your home is big enough that the bullets won't leave it) but if you want to participate in a society then you are forced to follow some rules.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    What other definition of 'forced' is there, other than being coerced to do something against your will? Thats the definition of forced.

    This was just reported this morning by a national press gallery media: "Incomplete figures show nearly 1,600 Canadian soldiers, sailors and air crew resigned, were discharged or faced discipline for defying Covid orders" Sounds pretty forced to me.

    And recall what touched off the whole convoy event? The government insisted that cross border truckers, the same guys who had been praised for keeping our international trade going and supplying our stores for the previous two years were going to be FORCED to get covid vaccines. These are guys who spend all their time in a truck cab and barely interact with anyone except the guy running the forklift to load them in the US but suddenly, after two years, Trudeau decided that to "participate in society" as you put it, they needed to get vaxxed. It didnt make any sense at that point, still doesnt. Thus the spark that ignited a huge protest. We were tired of being forced to do things that no longer made sense even if they did in the beginning.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know what the problem with your definition of forced here is? You think it means having to face any consequences at all. That's not what forced means. Just having to face consequences doesn't mean you were forced to do something. Consequences are the result of free will. The result of making your own decisions. It's naive and childish to think that you should never face consequences for anything you do. Every decision you make has consequences, no one's forcing you to face them you're choosing to face them. It's part of the decision. Don't want to take the vaccine you lose your job. No one forced you to make that choice you chose to make that choice. Consequences are part of choice.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And since when is losing your means to make a living a valid consequence for refusing a vaccine? The courts have said, in most cases, that it was overreach and shouldnt have happened. Those weren't reasonable consequences for non compliance, especially when it was accompanied by harassment and derision, some of it by our own PM. Stop drinking the koolaid.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well if that choice is so bad for you then maybe don't make it. That's how choices work. I can choose to inject myself with bleach right now, I'd probably die, so I'm not going to make that choice. No one's forcing me not to make that choice no one can stop me. That's called consequence. It is beyond childish to think you should never face consequences for your choices. That's not the same as being forced.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If you are given options its a choice like 'hey we value your THIRTY YEARS of service so you can work on a different unit for now, or you can take an unpaid leave, or you can do administrative work at home til the epidemic subsides' THAT would be a choice.

    If its 'You have to get the vaccine or we'll fire you', thats not a consequence, thats force' She was most definitely FORCED to resign.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What an absurd life you must live. I just imagine you walking around all day going yeah my work forces me to wear pants. By coming to work naked they'll fire me so they're forcing me to not be naked. Like that is your mindset here. Anytime any consequences happen you believe you're being forced to do something. It's absurd.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah wearing pants is exactly the same as taking a shot that MAY protect you from covid (It didnt. I still got covid, so did three people in my family who were also vaccinated) or it may actually make you sicker.

    Which is why the gov has accepted admissions from 2700 Canadians who were damaged by the vaccine and have already paid out 18 million in damages to them with more to come. https://vaccineinjurysupport.ca/en/program-statistics

    So yeah, thats exactly like wearing pants to work.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So, we're on a boat. It starts leaking with these mysterious finger sized holes. Most people start sticking fingers in holes to stop the water, but there are a bunch of people that are worried their finger might get stuck, or a fish might come and bite it or divine intervention will save the boat - and they decide not to stick their finger in a hole, and just for good measure some of the people that won't stick their finger in a hole go and make a few new holes. You think that's ok? For a bunch of people to, not only not contribute to saving everyone, but actually make the situation worse? And for there to be no consequences??

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You're completely missing context.

    At the point of the convoy, about 85% of Canadians were already vaccinated. Thats plenty for 'herd immunity' But the government was STILL pushing, after two solid years of vaccinations and people being isolated for even MORE measures to force people to get vaccinated. And the cracks were already beginning to show - kids were losing out on a significant amount of their education, old people in homes were suffering deep depression from not seeing family, businesses were closing and people were losing their life's work because they had no customers, mental health issues were skyrocketing and hospitals couldnt keep up with the patient intake, drug use went from bad to epidemic levels and still is epidemic level, family relationships were not only strained but a lot of people ended relationships with friends and family over the vaccination issue. And into this hell, Trudeau comes up with the bright idea to try and force cross border truckers to get vaccinated when they barely ever left their truck cabs and interacted with almost no one in their daily duties. Even Trudeau said "over 90% of truckers are vaccinated". Fine. Good enough, leave the rest alone.

    You make it sound like those opposed to vaccines were the majority. No there were a minority who had reasons not to get it whether you agree with their reasons or not. And we should've been just fine with that, because they were a small minority. But instead of just leaving them alone MANY people vilified them as evil people and bad Canadians. They weren't.

    I STRONGLY prefer a few people who chose to do what they felt was right for them and their families to a government that says you WILL do what we say, WHEN we tell you to do it and you will NOT object or we will make sure you suffer consequences including losing your job and your means to make a living AND we will seize your money for protesting what we tell you. Like, what the fuck Trudeau, back the hell up!! Who made you KING?! This is Canada, not communist China. He WAY overstepped his authority and thank god he paid for it with HIS job - the truckers are just fine.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Libertarians, in general, want to reap the benefits of society without paying the costs. I don't imagine Amazon would have grown to the size it did if there weren't ports for the ships to dock in, roads for the trucks to drive on, an internet to advertise on, and all the rest of it, yet they feel beset upon for being asked to pay the taxes that help provide all those things.

    Anti-vaxer truckers are the same, but writ small and in human form.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You seem to be wandering a little far afield here. We're talking about Libertarians and government regulations for public health, not Libertarians and government regulation in business. And while I don't think they're Nazis, I still think they're wrong, in general, and for the same reasons.

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