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[–] gjoel@programming.dev 36 points 2 months ago (25 children) Isn't that usually how infestations work though? permalink fedilink source hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago (16 children) Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago Would be a rad way to thin out the herd of xenophobic rich people, though 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (14 children) No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago (8 children) No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) A zoo is a gated community permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And sharks regularly infest zoos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 months ago (7 children) Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (5 children) No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I saw both links pop up as well. I opted to go with the first, standard, book— webster’s instead of cherry picking. The problem is, both meanings are correct. However, the “troublesome” definition is primary.. and look at the example given: 1 to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 to live in or on as a parasite permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rothe@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (3 children) We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Where is the fallacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago But live there though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago (16 children) Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago Would be a rad way to thin out the herd of xenophobic rich people, though 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (14 children) No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago (8 children) No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) A zoo is a gated community permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And sharks regularly infest zoos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago Would be a rad way to thin out the herd of xenophobic rich people, though 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (14 children) No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago (8 children) No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) A zoo is a gated community permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And sharks regularly infest zoos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago (8 children) No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bobo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gjoel@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) A zoo is a gated community permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And sharks regularly infest zoos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gjoel@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) And sharks regularly infest zoos? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgåsbord permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 months ago (7 children) Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (5 children) No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I saw both links pop up as well. I opted to go with the first, standard, book— webster’s instead of cherry picking. The problem is, both meanings are correct. However, the “troublesome” definition is primary.. and look at the example given: 1 to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 to live in or on as a parasite permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rothe@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (3 children) We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Where is the fallacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gjoel@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago But live there though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (5 children) No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I saw both links pop up as well. I opted to go with the first, standard, book— webster’s instead of cherry picking. The problem is, both meanings are correct. However, the “troublesome” definition is primary.. and look at the example given: 1 to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 to live in or on as a parasite permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rothe@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (3 children) We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Where is the fallacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I saw both links pop up as well. I opted to go with the first, standard, book— webster’s instead of cherry picking. The problem is, both meanings are correct. However, the “troublesome” definition is primary.. and look at the example given: 1 to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 to live in or on as a parasite permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rothe@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (3 children) We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Where is the fallacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Where is the fallacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BossDj@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals. Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gjoel@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago But live there though. permalink fedilink source parent