There is no value in telling people to stop fighting.

Let's see what was written.

TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).

Its also pretty futile imo. AI is reading billions of words from books and posts. A handful of users obfuscating their posts is not going to do anything.

I don't believe I saw "stop fighting" in those sentences.

I did see "this fucks things up for many people, and this has little to no impact on ai scraping."

You have a very different interpretation of those sentences from me. I'd also point out the root of the issue has nothing to do with llm's, and everything to do with capitalism.

Maybe try fighting the cause of the problem rather than the most recent means of exploitation?

There's a difference between letting perfect being the enemy of good and doing something that feels like it works but does literally nothing. Both are harmful, just in different ways.

It's not "perfect being the enemy of the good." It's "effective being the enemy of actively harming others."

How else can you learn to fight unless you fail along the way?

By learning how they do things. They're not using some new, unknown tech to scrape their data. They're using the old ways that have been around for decades and just feeding it to a new system. And the conclusion, after thirty years of companies trying to prevent people from scraping, is that if you're going to allow people to view your website, you have to allow them to download it; and if people download it, they can do what they want with that data. No exceptions.

In the multimedia space, the way they're working this problem is called DRM; and it's basically well-understood that it can't be solved. Netflix hasn't been able to stop people downloading movies, despite tossing a ton of cash at it. Disney hasn't. YouTube can't solve it. Steam can't. Spotify can't. Some of these companies have even gone so far as to try to implement DRM in major browsers and using that as a requirement for using their service, but DRM is always cracked. These companies try to make it slightly harder to download videos or use ad blockers, and that might work somewhat well for millions of individual people who aren't adept with technology, but a few smart folks can always figure it out.

The AI companies have smart folks working for them, too; and once one of them figures out how to crack this form of text DRM, it's just automated into a part of their scraped data ingestion pipeline. It didn't cost them any measurable amount of time or money, and now they never have to bother with it or worry about it again. Meanwhile every blind person who visits your website for the rest of time will have to wait for your text to deobfuscate itself, every single time.

We have tried sane washing billion dollar companies while they loot all our available knowledge, art, and culture to sell back to us in the form of a garbage chat or that helps destroy the planet.

Yeah, it really sucks, and we need to do something about it. But the answer isn't going to be technological, because they have all the money in the world, give or take a few bucks, to defeat technological solutions. So that means the answer has to be legislative.

Nah you can miss me with this shit. I'm done.

"I'm not going to let facts get in the way of my strongly-held opinions."

This blogger literally ends by saying they believe all publicly available knowledge will end up free and accessible to anyone.

This has been true for the past 50 years of the internet. It's not going to change anytime soon. Which means that if we're going to fight the pillaging of our culture and heritage, we're going to have to make it impossible for them to spend their way past the hurdle; if it costs them $50 to get data that's worth $300 to them, they'll do it. But if it costs them their company being forcibly dissolved and their CEO being led away in handcuffs, they might think twice.

Discouraging fighting in any form now is trying to discourage the anti AI movement. Sorry about it.

Sure, fighting in any form. Doesn't matter how effective or not, doesn't matter how harmful to others. Kick dogs to stop Israeli genocide. Burn down national parks for trans rights. Steal candy from babies to stop Republican gerrymandering. It doesn't matter if it helps your cause or actively harms innocent people, just do it, and anyone trying to stop you is trying to discourage the cause.

What are you talking about perfect being the enemy of good. Yup this isn't in marginally effective solution, it's an utterly ineffective solution.

That houses on fire and your train to claim that pouring salt all over the place is going to have any effect. Not only is the fire completely ignoring your efforts but you're also getting in the way.

If you don't want AI companies downloading your data don't upload it to the internet.