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[–] 107 points 3 months ago (64 children)

Sabine Hossenfelder, after she went full anti-science, like "and you can trust me because i am a scientist, but not like those other scientists."

I think i stopped watching when she read a fake email to the camera.

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    Speaking of Sabine, I unsubscribed from Alex O'Connor because he kept having pseudo science guests on and wasn't being critical at all, just letting them yap. Gave me Rogan vibes but hosting Sabine was my last straw.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I’ve been so disappointed in the direction he has taken his channel. Rogan vibes is such a good way of putting it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Or at least a whiff of Rogan, I'm pretty sensitive to any potential red flags these days even if he doesn't ever fall off as hard as that. Glad someone else agrees, I haven't looked in a year to know if he's fallen out of online atheist graces or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I’ve seen concerns in comment sections in videos on other channels when he comes up in clips and seen a single video addressing some concerns about his direction, but nothing major to my knowledge.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    If you are genuinely asking and not just defending, this blog post is a starting point to explain: https://timothynguyen.org/2025/08/21/physics-grifters-eric-weinstein-sabine-hossenfelder-and-a-crisis-of-credibility/

    Others can say it better than me, but her videos went from well-researched science education to takedowns of the scientific process itself, hybothesis, experiment, analysis, forming new hypotheses. And takedowns of scientist in general. Conspiracies like "they're all trying to waste taxpayer money," which did GREAT numbers on YouTube.

    I enjoyed her early videos saying "String theory is too difficult to verify experimentally, offers too little in predictive power, and gets way too much funding compared to other areas like X Y Z." That's a fair opinion and a discussion where rational minds can support their argument, and even agree to disagree.

    "Science is sick, academia is dying, the whole field is corrupt, you can't trust scientists" is her vibe now. You can't have good faith arguments in that framing.

    Here is one quote:

    Scientific disagreements are intricate matters that require the attention of highly trained experts. However, for laypersons to be able to make up their own minds on such issues, they have to rely on proxies for credibility such as persuasiveness and conviction. This is the vulnerability that contrarians exploit, as they are often skilled in crafting the optics and rhetoric to support their case. Indeed, Weinstein and Hossenfelder’s strong personalities and their sowing of distrust in institutions enable them to persuade others of the correctness of their views when they deviate from those of experts.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Have you considered she's farming for clicks and really doesn't give a fuck?

    Look how she's been attacked over the years even when she was doing videos that you all really liked I was never a fan but to each their own. Scientific method can take many facets. And that's the wonderful thing about science is that scientists disagree with each other. But ultimately we should rely upon experimentation and predictive power and falsifiability to determine what is science and what is not.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    mainstream consensus science which has very little evidence going for it?

    Can you please name an example one or two of things that have reached "scientific consensus" yet have very little evidence?

    How about just one. One thing.

    I'm really curious to see what it is that you think words mean.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    Right, so you just don't know how the scientific method works.

    I'm honestly not trying to come off as a jerk, but I think you need to do some very basic learning about how science works, and how we know anything that we know (epistemology).

    Because you're about one step away from being against vaccines and like 1.5 steps away from denying "germ theory" entirely.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Coming from the person who said this:

    Big bang theory. Hell, probably most of cosmology. It’s all a bunch of bullshit. Our main theory was the brain fart of a Catholic priest and that’s now considered the “secular theory.” You can’t make this stuff up… Oh wait you can. From cosmic inflation to dark matter and dark energy it’s all bullshit I’m pretty sure.

    Take a fucking astronomy course dude, I dunno what else to tell you. Like... what do you think the scientific method actually is? Are you even aware of the concept or do you think people just make shit up and hope its real (we got lucky with airplanes and shit I guess)?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Aerodynamics is a hard, applied science. It's highly testable and absolutely falsifiable.

    Cosmology is a lot of bullshit. Which should not be conflated with astronomy. The big bang is a creation myth. Admittedly one I was taught in school and I guess maybe I kind of took it seriously for a little while but no not really. When you actually look into the history of it and you see all the bullshit and all the special tuning and fine-tuning that they do to try to make it work... And it still doesn't work. Tensions abound. Catastrophes are another problem. I'm sure you've heard of the crisis in cosmology? Seems like come out with one of those at least once a month.

    Once you actually delve into the subject matter you realize it's a lot of interpretations a lot of frameworks that reinforce themselves. But their foundations are flimsy as air.

    For instance some people believe in dark matter or dark energy. I don't believe in cosmic inflation and I think we have a dark gravity problem where we don't understand gravity but if you use a bad model for gravity then you get other aberrations, like the aforementioned dark whatever.

    Take the CMB. Cosmic microwave background. Is that really seeing the edges of the observable universe? Some sort of big bang remnant? Or is it much more likely it's a collective noise from here to there collectively and it has a lot more to do with the locality rather than some far off edge of the observable universe or big bang remnant. So that's one bullshit base of the tower that's the foundation. If you take that out the rest of it collapses.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yikes.

    Go to your local Community College and take an astronomy course. Please.

    They have these things called 'telescopes' now, it's amazing.

    There is this thing called red shift that proves that celestial bodies are moving away....

    Yeah you know what no sorry no. Not getting drawn into this shit with someone who clearly has no fucking concept of how science works (and is obnoxious about it).

    You need to speak with someone who does this for a living. I'm not being dismissive, I truly hope that you do.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    It's like looking at a chimp with a revolver. How did they even get it? Who knows, but they're definitely gonna hurt someone.

    A hypothesis is not a religion, dude. People (other than I suppose lay people with weirdly religious ideas) don't "believe in" dark matter or dark energy. These are fully falsifiable hypotheses just like Bernoulli's principle (since you reference aerodynamics). Cosmology is fully falsifiable and hypotheses are overturned all the time. CMB was predicted to exist before it was found and matched predictions, based on observations that lead to the Hubble constant, etc. The history of cosmological theory is easily available for you, if you cared to learn about it.

    Meanwhile, you ARE approaching these ideas religiously. You reject them because you "don't believe in them." That's bonkers. You don't need to accept or reject them on an emotional level. That's not how any of this works.

    I hope you're just a smart kid goofing around and riffing, and not someone who actually believes their own bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Hell, dark matter isn't even a hypothesis, it's purely an observation! In that sense, you're right that it's not falsifiable, only interpretable. It is a reality like the temperature. We don't hypothesize that it is 21C, we observe it. We DIRECTLY OBSERVE gravity that does not come from any known source; that's "dark matter." Likewise, we directly observe red shift and other effects of inflation. We call the unknown cause of those observations "dark energy." Neither are a specific thing that people believe in, they are labels for the effects that we directly observe.

    Casting that through some kind of quasi-religious lens and then attacking it as a crackpot beliefs is BIZARRE behavior.

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    Which hubble constant? Based on which methodology? You wanna explain the Hubble tension, dude?

    I reject them based on the fact that they're pseudoscience. The Big bang theory or as it's called the lamda cold dark matter model makes a ton of predictions and pretty much all of them are wrong. I think they maybe got one right...

    So they have predominantly been falsified, indeed. Yep people still "believe" in this even though they don't even understand the theory at all. That's called faith, kiddo.

    I'm not religious. I'm a scientist. I'm an engineer. I build stuff that actually works.

    You have next to nil idea what I think. Just a lot of assumptions. Making an ass out of yourself. Hey at least your username checks out, jerkface.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Coca-cola has notoriously spent buh-buh-buh-BILLIONS on nutritional research. They throw away the research that doesn't suit the science that they WANT to be true and promote the research that tends to support it. An example of a disproved hypothesis that has been accepted due to their meddling is "calories in, calories out."

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I unsubbed her when she started going anti-feminist and pro-merz

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Her anti trans stuff was also a good warning sign.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    After knowing it, I agree with the university of Munich kicking her out like trash.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    im guessing there was truth about some of the commenters saying she was the one that was "hard to work with" after seeing the first 30seconds of the video(about giving up as a physicist", at first i thought it was anti-feminist comment, but it make sense now.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This is when I stopped watching. What does an astrophysicist know about gender? Why did she feel the need to insert it into an astrophysics video? Scientists: stay in your lane and recognize you might not be the authority you think you are on every subject. Also, irrelevant to the content at hand.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    There’s a huge phenomenon of people who are experts in random fields pretending that it gives the competence to speak about trans issues.

    Eg, Helen Joyce is a mathematician but has made her entire career into being aggrieved about trans people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    NdGT will talk about ANY subject as though he was an expert. I'm kind of shocked he hasn't said anything stupid about trans people yet, but he sure has said a lot of stupid stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    i suspect alot of these are paid to be right wing mouthpieces by someone funding them. they need new ones currently(the likes of tim poole, shapiro isnt enough), and "intellectuals" aka, pseudointellectuals with degrees have more validity to would be potential "far right supporters" in the audience,, and drawing men into the manosphere.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I think the Heritage Foundation and a few other groups are deliberately recruiting and paying people for anti trans propaganda. Consider how Riley Gaines has made an entire career out of tying with someone for fifth place at a swim competition.

    There’s a phenomenon of fake detransitioners as well. Maia Poet and Chloe Cole.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Fulnecky is a new one made a fake paper, she knows that the trans TA would get in trouble. Faux news is lining upnew bimbos, incase ingraham gets the axe from being an anchor.

    jordan peterson was very effective in getting people into the manosphere with pseudo-intellectual bs. im guessing they need more for each STEM background. and he was mostly paid by putin, his ties to russia is pretty obvious.

    transphobia, lgbtq+ phobia seems to be the thing "uniting hate amonst even POCs (that are bigoted)too, transphobia issue seems to be unresolved in POC groups, like asians, blacks, hispanics, because its almost never discussed..

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    thats whats happening to her, i guess she far right herself. her video first caught notice, after her "why i left academia, or gave up being a physicist" im guessing she wasnt telling the whole truth to that video, she probably was so difficult to work with in academia, or a job that nobody wants to hire her, or her political leanings were annoying asf, at first she said something about being a woman and being ignored in the field dominated by men. im guessing people in the comments were right: she was the troublemaker.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I liked her covering science, but her takes on politics were either shallow or just wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    What hit me there was another YouTuber complaining about her. she bitched about that, and I'm like ohh they're full of shit. Then I saw another, and a professor, and stopped to listen, they plead their cases. I started digging into it. She's on the edge of quackery in a lot of her listen to this person and not that person stuff. Quite a bit of her science leaks into areas she doesn't have a lot of expertise in, and rightful experts unceremoniously dunk on her for hot takes. When I saw it was multiple people and not just influencers looking for steak... I ended up cutting her off.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At some point I noticed that she always sounds like she's talking with clenched teeth, as if she was on speed. Kinda ruined it for me, also her format is kinda lame.

    Didn't know about those other things so... Yikes...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You are right and there is all kinds of legitimate criticism against here. That's not what's about to follow, please abandon expectations.

    What is the deal with her face??? We can all see (and possibly hear) that there's something going on there, right?

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