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Canada finally reveals the results of its universal basic income experiment (ecency.com)
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[–] 17 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Controlled rent is better than uncontrolled rent, but it suffers from the same problems as minimum wage. And why should landlords even exist? I'm not convinced private rentals should be legal at all. If you're not using a property for personal use or a place of business, why shouldn't it be seized and auctioned or rented publicly?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Rentals do have their place for people like students, and some businesses who regularly send employees to a city(rare but it happens). Rentals are not inherently bad, but the expectation that someone should rent as a longterm plan is completely fucked. We do not need this many many rental units in the world, not at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't mean that renting shouldn't exist, but that it should probably not be run privately for profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I’m not wholly against that, but I’m sure there are some benefits. Vienna is the one often brought up in these conversations because something like nearly half their rentals are public and the rest are private which keeps the market in check. We just need much heavy controls on landlords and most people don’t have any experience with landlords that aren’t huge, unregulated pieces of shit.

    It’s like how private business is not inherently bad but most places do it so badly that people want out of the whole deal.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Why should you own anything privately? You dont need two cars, one should be seized and auctioned publicly so someone else could have a car right? Why are you hoarding them?

    Because we live in a capitalist society thats why. There are countries that do what youre proposing but they are much weaker economically and people dont have nearly the rights they do in Canada.

    And of all the places to rent, guess who provides the most reasonable places to rent in the country? Is is Blackrock? No. Is it a consortium of investors? No. Is it a commercial landlord in your city? No. Its ALWAYS the mom and pop landlords who rent out basement suites and houses. Get rid of them and rent averages go UP.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Because there isn't a shortage of cars, and cars aren't necessary to live. However, housing is. Having a shelter to live in is a basic human need. It shouldn't be hoarded by rich elite few who own so much they basically control the whole fucking market.

    If housing is limited and is a living necessity, it should totally be regulated.

    Capitalism is an inhumane system that glorifies profit and undervalues human life and human rights. In order for capitalism to succeed, it needs cheap labour, it needs wage slaves, or even better, actual slaves. If capitalism had any provisions for social justice, equality, equity, respect of human rights and human life, it wouldn't even be viable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    You do know that GDP and economy are different and every year that goes by our economy in Canada gets worse because of heavily stagnant wages and uncontrolled rent and housing prices? It’s not good, we’re just starting from a relatively higher point than many other places.

    Also all you did there was compare private(large) to private(small), which isn’t anywhere close to the argument you think it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Yes Im aware of the difference. I guess the issue is that I dont see the people who are not making it being the economies fault, primarily because I have 3 adult children and 3 adult step children between 25 and 39 and they are ALL doing ok financially. One is just getting by, the the other five are already making more money and living more comfortably than I did at their age and they're doing it on their own, with no help from us. So I have a hard time understanding why anyone cant make IF they want to bad enough in Canada. The opportunities are here (2 of my kids are self starting entrepreneurs) if you work hard enough. Yes, wages are stagnant if you're working retail at a mall, but no one's stopping anyone from upgrading their education and getting a better job. Our immigrants do it, Canadians can do it too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    So everyone within your very close, related circle is doing ok and that’s indicative of the diverse country as a whole?

    Wages are stagnant for everyone. I’m an architectural technologist and wages are absolutely getting worse year over year despite it being an important, educated, in demand job. The fact that you think I’m talking about mall retail points only to your complete failure to have a shred of empathy for the poor and for any kind of job you don’t understand. Also, retail seems to be pretty fucking important and shouldn’t be thrown aside and allowed to have stagnant wages either, you broken twat.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Dude. one of my kids is a house cleaner. Give up your prejudiced opinion. But the difference between her and the average retail worker is she decided to start her own company and has now got enough work she can hire another worker. And she works her ass off scrubbing other people's toilets, bathtubs and sinks for hours a day on her knees.

    There IS a way out of the hole if a person is motivated enough. But I dont have sympathy for those who aren't motivated enough to bust their asses to move up the ladder.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You think people aren’t trying? You think their problem is a lack of motivation? They’re doing a job we’ve deemed important enough to have and you have no idea what they’re going through or how much it demands of them yet you think they deserve shit pay because you don’t respect them. The only reason you treat your kid any differently is because you know them personally but you can’t extend that to a stranger because you’re broken. I can’t fix you and I don’t know what can, but I guess empathy just doesn’t come stock in everyone.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You dont know anything about me. I founded an outreach charity for street kids at risk thats been running for 30 years. We have helped hundreds of kids out of addiction, out of entrapment in sex work, out of poverty and into healthy lifestyles primarily through friendship. Stop projecting your own issues onto others.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    In that case then I’m fucking shocked that you’re acting like this. It is incredible to me that you can have this stance while supposedly being an otherwise active and compassionate member of the community.

    Take that energy and direct into not being a huge fucking asshole to underpaid retail workers. You act all pretentious when I don’t know you while assuming that you know everything about these “unmotivated” people who are just trying to pay rent. I may not know you but I am absolutely correct that, at the moment at least, you’re being a real shithead.

    Do better.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Youre the massively judgmental one. I never degraded anyone, but you're here calling me a shithead. Hmm... which one of us is judgmental?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So I have a hard time understanding why anyone cant make IF they want to bad enough in Canada. The opportunities are here (2 of my kids are self starting entrepreneurs) if you work hard enough. Yes, wages are stagnant if you're working retail at a mall, but no one's stopping anyone from upgrading their education and getting a better job. Our immigrants do it, Canadians can do it too.

    You’re literally saying that people could be having a better life if they wanted it bad enough, and thereby saying loud and clear that people who are having a bad life clearly just don’t want it bad enough. Immigrants are treated pretty badly and not paid nearly well enough, and you’re being a real ass for using their desperation and shitty situations as justification for invalidating Canadians’ struggles.

    You’re also saying that “no one is stopping anyone from upgrading their education” while clearly not understanding at all what that takes, especially if you’re coming from a place where you can have a family member pay for everything. Working during school, especially the amount that 2025 demands for you to make ends meet, is crushing and, in many cases, basically impossible. Getting a job after that is also completely fucked for many of its own reasons. I did everything right and am good at my job but getting a job right now, even with experience, is next to impossible as companies refuse to hirer new or intermediate people and try to rely on senior people who will retire with no one to fill their roles.

    Everything is so much more fucked than you clearly have even the barest understanding of. You’re still the asshole, bud.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why would I, a single individual, need two cars? I'd be completely in support of one-personal-car-per-person regulations.

    The best places to rent in my country are the buildings owned by the city. Even mom and pop are leeching income off the less-wealthy by providing absolutely no services.

    We shouldn't live in a capitalist society. It's a bad system that leads to oligarchy and class division. Economic strength is meaningless when the economy isn't in service of the people. Look at all the rights people in the US have. I'm told they're euthanizing disabled people in Canada now because they're a financial burden on the healthcare system. Capitalism isn't helping anyone except the rich.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    We shouldn’t live in a capitalist society. It’s a bad system that leads to oligarchy and class division.

    Its definitely not a perfect system, but show me one thats better? I mean Canada has a capitalist economy but with as strong social support network underlying it. I cant think of a better way to run a country.

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