The White House has found a novel way to ensure Donald Trump’s nominees ascend to power.

Federal judges in the Western District of Washington swore in former King County Superior Court Judge Roger Rogoff as U.S. attorney Wednesday morning. Within 54 minutes, Trump fired him.

The district’s 17 federal judges have been trying to find a replacement for Seattle’s First Assistant U.S. Attorney Neil Floyd, after Trump failed to formally nominate him. Floyd was appointed in October, though his name was never officially advanced to the Senate for consideration.

Federal law grants a district’s judges the power to appoint a U.S. attorney if the president and the acting attorney general fail to do so within 120 days, subsequently stonewalling the procedural Senate hearings.

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[–] 44 points 3 months ago (96 children)

What should they realistically be doing?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I moved back in 2015 and, while many things about my personal situation are better (though not all), that doesn't solve the actual problem. Things happening in the US still impact the rest of the world no matter what.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    You got any money for those of us that can't afford it and are trapped in one of the most capitialist hellholes?

    What happens when fascism knocks in the new country? Fascism is rising globally.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a coordinated plan to shore up power and resources before the inevitable climate collapse. Amoc is shutting down, we'll likely have a blue ocean event in the next decade, and we were already in one of the most significant extinction events in planetary history. It's gonna get real real bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (27 children)

    And when CBP, the national guard, and police show up and shoot everyone when Trump declares martial law (you know, exactly what Trump wants before the midterms)? What then? I'm taking notes.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    The point is to show up in large enough numbers that it doesn't matter.

    Revolts aren't without risk, and typically bloody.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (22 children)

    I don't disagree. But people generally don't want bombs dropped on their heads and will avoid it until it becomes the final option. Until that time comes, small groups will be shot or imprisoned. Just like what happened in Texas last week. Just like what happened with BLM. There are countless examples of people rising against, only to be stomped because the fed arrives. Trump would love any excuse to fuck over the midterms, and would be happy to kill some left leaning opposition if given the chance.

    Further, the US is very spread out. The cities and urban areas are relatively easy to get together. It's everywhere else that needs the ability to join the crowd. It's not like Europe where it's fairly easy to travel around, unfortunately.

    If you want my thoughts on what we should do, it's to actually hurt what they care about most: their wallets. A general, nationwide strike would work well. However, to make it so people don't just starve to death, we need to set up a strike fund or food network. With that, the strike could last long enough to affect their bottom lines, and people would actually be willing to participate, knowing that their family won't starve to do it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    A general strike is more or less impossible in the US. It would need to be coordinated across multiple key industries in every state, you'd need basically every shipping company and truck driver on board, and it would have to last for weeks. It's simply not a thing that can actually realistically happen in the US.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    The national strike is the one. If it’s just the cities that’s more than enough to grind the wheels down. The sooner the better, the larger the more effective. I reckon two weeks to a month would see it out. Congress would move pretty quickly once everything is starved.

    It’ll involve hardship and a willingness to do this without logistical coordination though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    No-one said the revolution would be easy, immediate, nor convenient.

    You get the treatment you tolerate.

    Prepare accordingly.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    That is exactly my point. People outside of the US are expecting it to be easy and want immediate results. It won't be easy nor will it be immediate.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Then those people shouldn't expect immediate results.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    While valid, a critical mass is required for any effective action. That's going to take time in a country as large and spread out as the US. I do believe it will happen, the ball has been rolling. People have already been shot and imprisoned for resisting. Some states are fighting back as well. It's just a matter of time until a flashpoint happens and a critical mass is reached. If I had to guess, the midterms are going to be part of that.

    What actions do you suggest?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    You guys are way past the point that many countries would have considered the flashpoint. The thing about reacting too late is that you give the people trying to gain power enough time to prepare to deal with any resistance. I fear it might be to late at this point, but I hope I am wrong. Just page me when you guys finally do something, and I'll root for you from afar.

    I would suggest to at least plan for a mass strikeout in all industries to make your message heard, and to maybe start organising some capability to put up an armed resistance in the off chance that it is too late to make a change through the proper process.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

    The problem, again, is how spread out the US is. The cities are very far from each other compared to Europe. The federated system also adds roadblocks. Some states are doing better than others, thanks to the state governments. Some states are doing much, much worse.

    Unfortunately, the US is unlike any country, and not in a good way. Flashpoints here are totally different, if that hasn't been obvious yet. The lower class is in survival mode, an intentional strategy by the Trump administration to keep the poor people distracted. They're walking a fine line, if they go too far and people really start to struggle, it's over. If they don't go far enough, then people will have time to organize.

    I totally agree on the mass strike, so long as a strike fund or food support network is also in place, so people can actually be willing to attend. I think that's actually the best way to approach this, and I've discussed it with some of my neighbors in the past.

    An armed resistance, unless something changes with the military (doubtful), is futile. It's kind of difficult to use small arms against a reaper drone at 50,000 ft. We have the most funded military in the world, and the fascists in charge wouldn't hesitate to use it in this scenario. That doesn't mean people shouldn't prepare for armed conflict, but I'm betting that it would be a relatively quick one.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Even just planning on how to organise later is better than nothing. Discuss where to meet, how to communicate, how to avoid surveillance, etc with anyone locally with the same mindset. If you can’t find anyone near you that would go along with this, that’s a bad sign that the flashpoint you’re waiting for might not be happening anytime soon.

    There's quite a lot of this happening, you're just not going to see it in news articles and comment sections.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Right, so like, can we maybe collectively stop chastising America for not having instantly overthrown the government when it turned tyrannical? Maybe some patient, constructive encouragement instead; the constant hostility from ostensive allies will only serve to grind down those here on the fediverse actually trying to do things.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree with most of what you said, however, it should be noted that the US famously lost the war in Vietnam to a bunch of farmers with holes and booby traps. And insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan kept us busy for over a decade, only for us to pretty much lose those wars as well.

    So I'm not sure it's entirely true that armed resistance would be completely futile. But it certainly would be bloody and drawn out.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Do you think the most valuable kind of actions are the ones people publicly talk about?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    They would probably be talked about online and in the news after they happened, if they were happening. But they aren't really, are they? That's kind of the point. We all know why us US Americans aren't doing anything, but that's not really important since we're still not doing anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    To move the needle amongst the least politically engaged, yes, those things are very valuable. I know your position is that anyone ignorant of politics are just as bad as the Republicans, so I get why you don't think you need to make your actions visible to engage these people, but reality doesn't really reflect that.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Yeah we are actually just expecting it to be done, as pointed out elsewhere.

    This is after a trial run was given and it’s due to a lack of desire to vote. Selfishness.

    Americans ask a shitload of undeserved understanding about this and expect a pass here they wouldn’t give others.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    A national shutdown.

    Every direction now involves hardship, because there’s no more fair elections till this regime is removed. Peaceful shutdown is the easiest and least bloody.

    They failed at the easy option, twice. Running won’t help either because we can’t stop it and it’s not our job to.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    People in the USA can't afford to lose everything by missing even a week of work. I'm dead serious. If you do a shutdown, you will get fired. If you get fired, you will lose your access to healthcare, assuming you have any. There is no housing protection and no food safety net in place to help people who commit to a cause.

    Now, let's say none of that mattered. Something close to 2/3rds of Americans cannot cover an emergent $500 expenditure. To fly from the west coast to DC in order to protest costs about $1000. Driving across the country costs even more.

    Now, let's say none of that mattered. The USA has about 2 million of its citizens in prison at any given time. This doesn't account for the implementation of concentration camps both throughout the USA and abroad to hold people detained by ICE, including American citizens, some of whom have been deported to countries that they have never been to.

    Now, let's say none of that mattered. Slavery is still 100% legal in the USA as punishment for a crime under the 13th amendment. The cool thing about slaves is that you can assign them to do whatever. Maybe you work a call center for a corporation, maybe you get sent out to fight wildland forest fires, or even disaster relief cleanup. For those that are compensated, the average across state rate is $0.62 per hour. If you refuse to participate, the consequences start with the removal privileges, escalate to solitary confinement, and eventually you get transferred to a higher security facility.

    Now, let's say none of that mattered. While in prison you will be exposed to abuses including but not limited to the following: physical violence, sexual assault, excessive force, and systemic retaliation.

    All of this can happen as a result of 1 serious offense, where the seriousness of the offense is determined largely by the current presidential administration. A typical felony case in the US will cost you about $5,000 unless you go with a public defender. A public defender still costs money, but the cost is less and their services are funded through a sliding scale fee based on the defendant’s income, plus court filing fees. While there is no difference in the severity of the outcome of provided by a public defender, there is a difference in the timeline, with public defender caseloads requiring longer timelines to get before the court. It's not a huge difference, but remember where you would be waiting it out.

    So, as a parent in the USA I have to decide if I want to protest against the government. This is an unseen entity on the other side of the country. My job is dope, so I could actually do this. I could buy a ticket, take the time off work, travel to Washington DC, protest, get arrested, pay the money to expedite my trial and return to my family in, let's say, a calendar year, during which time I would lose my job, income, and healthcare benefits and my daughter cannot go to college or really count on any type of inheritance. I have to decide if that is a price that I am willing to pay. Given that we live in a high surveillance police state, the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of me being caught. This also assumes that the federal government doesn't gun me down in the streets, which is now a real possibility.

    Or I can do nothing, hope that the old fucks in government die off (they are all very old), and generally live a decent life. I know that the government has no qualms about destroying my life or those of my fellow citizens on a large-scale basis. It's seriously not worth the risk. Does that make me complicit in the atrocities committed by my government both at home and abroad? Sure does. Does it spare me being the victim of those atrocities personally? Sure does.

    This isn't written as an excuse for the average American's behavior. It is written to provide some insight into why the average American doesn't take up arms or even publicly resist the government. The average American is scared of losing access to the incredible amount of wealth and privilege that we enjoy. We know that it is all built on outsourced oppression. As long as we don't make waves, we can enjoy access to shitty food, mass produced culture, and use internet filters to block out the bad news that we don't want to see.

    Where the real money is, in terms of political change in the USA, is lone wolf violence. Not the fake stuff coordinated by the President, but actual nut-job, mass-shooting, cars-into-crowds, crazy home invasion political action. Since I am a regular-ass human being, none of that is reasonable to me. But the other side has people who are sure as shit willing to throw their lives away on a murder charge because they believe, rightfully so, that they have a non-zero chance at a political pardon followed by a boost in income from becoming a minor celebrity to their cause, and literally no access to mental healthcare or opposing viewpoints. Even if my fake-ass "left" political party was in power, I couldn't get away with that.

    So, yeah, that was off-the-cuff and a bit of a ramble, but I hope that it provided some insight to, without condoning, the behavior of the typical American citizen.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (33 children)

    Fucking protest at the very least. When other countries try authoritarian shit you have millions of people protesting in the capital for days on end.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    We've been protesting weekly in Minnesota for half a year now. Since the ICE stuff started.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (16 children)

    Great, you’re expressing great frustration without explaining any specific details. That’s not what you’re supposed to do.

    Try telling us what to do.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    I speak for me. I’m asking.

    From one complete stranger to another.

    Tell me what you expect of me? If I were good and brave and resilient, what would I be doing?

    What should I do?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You have no idea.

    I’m an Army Veteran actually, and this whole thing pisses me off so much.

    I feel like the America I was sold in my younger years is gone and it’s become so warped and twisted that it’s not even recognizable.

    But another part of me knows that a lot of what I believed was actually never true, in retrospect.

    I want to feel proud of my country again one day.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    From the scarce videos I can find the weekly protests they appear to be in the order of dozens of people, not the hundreds of thousands or millions that are necessary to even have a chance at making a difference.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    No, protests could (and should) have happened earlier. They also have.

    The No Kings protests occurred but caused little social changes. Given that the US doesn't have the same social support system of other countries, it is difficult for most people to protest for an extended time without essentially destroying their own life.

    Due to rampant racism, the Black Lives Matter protests simply resulted in most white people taking personal offense instead of actually comprehending the systematic bias US society has against blacks and minorities.

    Occupy Wallstreet lasted pretty long, but was co-opted by fringe social movement groups and homeless plants by police. And that happened during the presidency of everyone's favorite Dep president darling, Obama.

    My point is that protesting right now, during an election period, instead of just fucking voting doesn't make much sense given that US society has very clearly marched to this point with everyone aware.

    Afterwards, when the system clearly doesn't work, and/if we are still fascist, sure let's fucking riot.

    With regard to the "coward" comment. If you aren't in the US, you likely don't have the same social political, economic, or societal factors in place so you can't really judge.

    Also, more crudely, if other countries had got off sucking US dick decades ago, it would have removed US soft power, wealth, and resources, and allowed internal social movements to have more weight. As example, we wouldn't be able to amass such a large military if other countries hadn't allowed the US to be their police. So, kindly fuck off and fix you own damn problems so we can do the same, though probably slower because of you cowardly enabling fucks.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but if the elections aren’t free and fair, the protests don’t matter anymore.

    We’re down to the last box, and I doubt the comfiest humans who’ve ever lived will give up all that comfort to do political violence and risk dying or spending life in prison.

    We are all comfortably numb. Things have to get uncomfortable. Until then, the masses won’t do shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, some 5d chess move to invoke martial law. From the same guy that has already deployed the national guard and has his goons shooting people daily.

    HA!

    What a shit eating people, you are already at that stage, this administration has clearly shown they need nothing based in reality to do anything. They just do it, and say things.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Violent revolution is the only answer, but we won't do it. So my plan b is to move. Doesn't solve the world crisis the US is causing, doesn't solve the rise of fascism, but it at least gives me some breathing room to reset and regroup.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    No it’s not

    Peaceful shutdown is the only answer. You have to grind the wheels to a halt and force those influential people who actually can act, act.

    That’s the only way now.

    Edit: no point running, we can’t stop it, and you brought this on yourselves. We had no say in this, why should we bail you out? Stay and help fix it please

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    If you think Canada will be immune to this fascistic cancer you are very, very wrong.

    Once the wheels start moving they will come for Canada and Cuba and Venezuala and Greenland. Mark my words this will happen. We (Canada) will be in the fight from day one, this is more than crystal clear.

    They will need to make their move right around November, most probably in a Reichstag fire type moment (maybe they assassinate trump and blame liberals? That would take care of two birds with one stone).

    They will tell us that Antifa and the Democrats have done this. They will declare martial law and will start arresting liberals and leftists. After they take the US they will immediately turn their attention outwards.

    Our only saving grace is that we will have righteousness on our side and they will have failing moral from invading their closest allies whom they train with constantly.

    I have no doubt that Canada will prevail in the coming war but it wont be easy.

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