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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children) Why didn’t nature ever learn to evolve fewer bones? Like in 100 million years how much worse is the situation going to be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (2 children) Tl:dr = Because they haven't. Yet. Maybe. As far as we know. I think you've described it quite well. That's just evolutionary biology. Any adaptation requires some kind of pressure behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not pressure, just absence of negative effects. Pressure might help but is not required. And I use "absence" quite loosey-goosey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Yes, and 'pressure' is used similarly. Think atmospheric pressure. It can lower and heighten, so a lack of pressure is low pressure, not the absence of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Though it's crazy that there can be such dramatic variation in bone structure and shape (eg humans vs horses vs bats), yet such homogeneity in the number of bones and their connections (arms connect to shoulders, which connect to spine, etc). Perhaps the genetic code for the number of bones and their connections, is more resiliant to mutation? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Once you've evolved it, one more or less is basically free *. Might fail sooner in old age, but everything after procreation is an afterthought. * my aunt has a long neck, 3 vertebras more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) * my aunt has a long neck, 3 vertebras more. Apparently it's really rare for mammals to evolve that without getting somthing else that's really nasty like cancer. There was a recent video about it on SciShow or HanksChannel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Wha, really? She's fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago I'm not trying to invalidate your experience. Just pointing out it's apparently really rare. It's theorized to be one of the pressures that results in all mammals having only 7 neck vertebrae, including guraffes permalink fedilink source parent [–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Evolution is not an intentional process. It's just statistics compounding over time. Simplified example: By random chance this bird grew a 5% longer beak than its peers, which means it can catch 5% more food and raise 5% more chicks than the others. If its descendants have similar success, over time it means that their long-beak trait will become more and more prevalent in the population, and projected over thousands of years, the whole species will end up having this long-beak trait, simply because those who had it, had more kids grow to reproductive age than those who didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago Meanwhile somewhere in the same time, worms that the bird feeds on start to die more because of that beak, except for those that were genetically wired to burrow a bit deeper. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago Because evolution doesn't "learn" anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (2 children) Tl:dr = Because they haven't. Yet. Maybe. As far as we know. I think you've described it quite well. That's just evolutionary biology. Any adaptation requires some kind of pressure behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not pressure, just absence of negative effects. Pressure might help but is not required. And I use "absence" quite loosey-goosey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Yes, and 'pressure' is used similarly. Think atmospheric pressure. It can lower and heighten, so a lack of pressure is low pressure, not the absence of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Though it's crazy that there can be such dramatic variation in bone structure and shape (eg humans vs horses vs bats), yet such homogeneity in the number of bones and their connections (arms connect to shoulders, which connect to spine, etc). Perhaps the genetic code for the number of bones and their connections, is more resiliant to mutation? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (2 children) Tl:dr = Because they haven't. Yet. Maybe. As far as we know. I think you've described it quite well. That's just evolutionary biology. Any adaptation requires some kind of pressure behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not pressure, just absence of negative effects. Pressure might help but is not required. And I use "absence" quite loosey-goosey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Yes, and 'pressure' is used similarly. Think atmospheric pressure. It can lower and heighten, so a lack of pressure is low pressure, not the absence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Not pressure, just absence of negative effects. Pressure might help but is not required. And I use "absence" quite loosey-goosey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Yes, and 'pressure' is used similarly. Think atmospheric pressure. It can lower and heighten, so a lack of pressure is low pressure, not the absence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago Yes, and 'pressure' is used similarly. Think atmospheric pressure. It can lower and heighten, so a lack of pressure is low pressure, not the absence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Though it's crazy that there can be such dramatic variation in bone structure and shape (eg humans vs horses vs bats), yet such homogeneity in the number of bones and their connections (arms connect to shoulders, which connect to spine, etc). Perhaps the genetic code for the number of bones and their connections, is more resiliant to mutation? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Once you've evolved it, one more or less is basically free *. Might fail sooner in old age, but everything after procreation is an afterthought. * my aunt has a long neck, 3 vertebras more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) * my aunt has a long neck, 3 vertebras more. Apparently it's really rare for mammals to evolve that without getting somthing else that's really nasty like cancer. There was a recent video about it on SciShow or HanksChannel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Wha, really? She's fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago I'm not trying to invalidate your experience. Just pointing out it's apparently really rare. It's theorized to be one of the pressures that results in all mammals having only 7 neck vertebrae, including guraffes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) * my aunt has a long neck, 3 vertebras more. Apparently it's really rare for mammals to evolve that without getting somthing else that's really nasty like cancer. There was a recent video about it on SciShow or HanksChannel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Wha, really? She's fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago I'm not trying to invalidate your experience. Just pointing out it's apparently really rare. It's theorized to be one of the pressures that results in all mammals having only 7 neck vertebrae, including guraffes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Wha, really? She's fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago I'm not trying to invalidate your experience. Just pointing out it's apparently really rare. It's theorized to be one of the pressures that results in all mammals having only 7 neck vertebrae, including guraffes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago I'm not trying to invalidate your experience. Just pointing out it's apparently really rare. It's theorized to be one of the pressures that results in all mammals having only 7 neck vertebrae, including guraffes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Evolution is not an intentional process. It's just statistics compounding over time. Simplified example: By random chance this bird grew a 5% longer beak than its peers, which means it can catch 5% more food and raise 5% more chicks than the others. If its descendants have similar success, over time it means that their long-beak trait will become more and more prevalent in the population, and projected over thousands of years, the whole species will end up having this long-beak trait, simply because those who had it, had more kids grow to reproductive age than those who didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago Meanwhile somewhere in the same time, worms that the bird feeds on start to die more because of that beak, except for those that were genetically wired to burrow a bit deeper. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago Meanwhile somewhere in the same time, worms that the bird feeds on start to die more because of that beak, except for those that were genetically wired to burrow a bit deeper. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago Because evolution doesn't "learn" anything. permalink fedilink source parent