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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (46 children)

    i'm fine with company property having tracking, but as long as i'm doing my job i don't see why my employer needs to know were i am. and that's despite me preferring to work on location.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (29 children)

    I have never once had an issue with this.

    Know why? Because I work with responsible adults. Once you start treating adults like little kids with no agency, you’re opening the floodgates for the control schemes which finally start to affect you personally.

    What could your employer do that would overstep your personal boundaries? By handwaving this one away, you’re enabling them to cross your line later. You must see that, yes? It’s clear to everyone else.

    You are not doing yourself any service, even if you think you’re just “sitting this one out.”

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    i've worked in multiple organisations of over 100 000 employees with majority hybrid workers and this has never come up. can you explain what positives this information will give you?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    To see if someone's in office. Example you book a meeting and you check the event in outlook and it shows that everyone's in office today so you can grab a meeting room and do it in person.

    Someone raises a ticket for an issue thats easy to solve manually and you see theyre in tbe office so you go fix it.

    Someone is looking for your coworker and you check teams and see hes working over at site B

    How can you not see what positive info this would give? Have you never asked someone if they are in the office today, I would find that pretty hard to believe.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    no i haven't, because i have access to an asynchronous communication medium with which i can get the information i need from people in text form. when working in international teams every meeting is online anyway and tickets are usually resolved by either development or fixes to the online system. someone needing onsite help would constitute an emergency.

    the only info i need from status lines is whether someone is on vacation or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If only you had access to a piece of communications software with which you could ask your coworkers if they’re in the office or not, and when they’re likely to be.

    Maybe MS could make one of those that worked.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    what moron cares about updated teams statuses? that sounds like such a painful office environment

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    the part that is challenging to me is why anyone expects that to actually work?

    have you been paying attention for the last 20+ years now?

    i want to say there was maybe a period of 5 years around mid 2000 where it did but microslop has been awful for decades

    and i can count on 2 hands the number of times the issue was urgent enough to need an immediate response regardless of what middle management thinks (and phone calls worked fine)

    so over working for bigcap company cultures and middle managers having too little actual work

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    or you know stop using overpriced miroshit products

    pay your workers well and treat them like adults

    and cut useless middle management

    sadly my company still uses ms but at least they nail the other two

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You hate MS, I do as well but its not relevant to talk about throwing it all out. This is just about a minor feature release and lemmys overreaction.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    ms literally pushed a vibe coded update that boot lopped multiple dev machines for a week before we resolved it

    technically it was fixed same day but only because we have regular nightly images and other machines

    that alone should be enough of a reason, this is just more shit on the camel’s back

    but so you know I’m not downvoting you, nothing you've said is unreasonable, I just really have no patience with current tech companies and clearly lemmy is sick of ms’ shit

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Microsoft pushing a bad update and breaking dev machines is an issue with your it department. Every single OS pushes bad updates thats why you stagger your releases through rings so you can catch the issues early and minimise downtime.

    Imagine if we stopped using linux because of a bad update.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    don’t act like this is normal

    i can’t think of a linux release in the 22+ years that’s had a non recoverable boot loop

    and who says it wasn’t staggered? doesn’t do a damn thing for those in the release group

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    You just said you recovered the windows boot loop.

    Linux breaks booting all the time. Its so common its every linux user knows how to fix it. Pick the distro and you'll find tons of boot issues after major updates.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    yea recovered by reinstalling an image from before the update, the system was a complete brick otherwise

    it took microslop 3 weeks to fix their shit, google it if you are confused, it wasn’t a limited hardware exposure issue, it was bad code

    we’ve been running rhel stable for decades with never a single example like this, i’m not talking about one off hiccups, i’m talking about the entire main line being busted

    pulling an example of loops from some random linux unstable distro or beta is meaningless

    to claim otherwise is bullshit, again this is not normal, even ms hasn’t been this bad since early vista

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Why? Work from home, not work from home, the works the same. I can't understand how this changes how you work. Unless your employer is very bad at figuring out how to do it. That is the only conclusion one can come to.

    Your work does a poor job, so you rely on outdated work methods. There is no other way to look at this.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    And you are demonstrating terrible work habits.

    It should not change how you work. That is the problem, for some reason it does for you, meaning your work, or you, do not know how to work efficiently.

    And to be fair, if your work doesn't fix this problem it really isn't your fault. They should be nipping this crap in the bud and calling it out. Re-training people and getting productive.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Two reasons:

    1. The feature likely won't work as well as you might think. What happens when you leave for 10 minutes to get some lunch, and that's when your boss's boss checks your location and it says you're working from home or something. And now you get written up because you're supposed to be in the office three days per week. I get this is a specific and convoluted example, but stuff like this happens--a feature is released, and management is too stubborn to take things with a grain of salt (or they otherwise won't consider the limitations).

    2. You're assuming they're only using your location data to update your in/out status. Neither MS nor your employer will ever be content to only use limited information when they have access to more. And while it would be somewhat limited if it were only on work devices, understand that a lot of employers expect people to install this shit on their personal devices (I was the only holdout in my department who wouldn't/couldn't install MS authenticator on my phone, it was a whole thing).

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I had a boss that would teams-call me when I was on the toilet. I don’t think it was malicious, just inconvenient. He was a dick about it though, so maybe he was watching my status.

    The Authenticator app is one of the the least invasive pieces of software you could install on your phone, so you’re on your own there. But we just get a Yubikey and it’s their problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Why do you want to know that? Haven't figured out how to work asymmetrically or put things into writing?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You do realise talking face to face is objectively better than talking over zoom or text right? I dont know why you keep acting this stupid all over the thread.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No. It objectively is not. It may seem like it, but for all the reasons I have mentioned it absolutely is not.

    Its poor training and lack of ability to function in this space that makes you think so.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Oh yes all the 0 reasons you mentioned. How could I forget such a convincing argument.

    I'm thinking that you may have a social disability and be misunderstanding. This is not for every worker. If you work better communicating over text thats fine your business can accommodate you. But majority of humans communicate best face to face instead of over text or calls. Its not to say you can't effectively communicate over those mediums.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I mentioned the reasons before.

    What you are suggesting doesn't scale. It doesn't work well for large orgnizations. It also hinders smaller ones because they never learn the skills to do it more effectively.

    It is a learned practice. It does take effort but the rewards are many.

    Yes I talk about this as so what of an authority. I have written on this subject, measured outcomes, created manuals and guides and trained people.

    If you want good talent it isn't all going to be in one place and we have the technology and tools to work with people anywhere and with some guidelines and rules: anytime. That is a huge win.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Works fine in multinationals that I've worked for. Are you telling me that if you've got 3 people sitting in the same office and you start a teams call instead of just saying lets grab a meeting room and chat about this? You're cooked bro I would love to read your shitty book and see your measured outcome.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    It's irrevelant where somebody is, as long as the assigned work is completed. Are you an insecure middle manager by chance?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yo, I was hoping to chat about fizzing buzzes today. You in the office; wanna grab coffee? If you prefer you can call or we can just chat on slack? Anyway I thought it would be best if we foo’d the bars in that order on project A.

    Easy. No naked ping. No pressure. Question already in the open. No expectations. Will find out if able to meet in person. Will get an initial response.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Because you don’t message them generally if they’re away; so away and busy marking helps. The difference you’re describing for not needing to check if somebody is in the office, means you are the sort of person to just show up at somebody’s desk and yap. If not, this new feature gains you no ground, as you’d still need to check if they’re available. If so, you’re already quite unlikable in the workplace.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Its funny seeing the responses on this website where everyone is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify why its useless or so bad it shouldnt be implemented and elsewhere the response is cool that sounds useful

    I dont know what to tell you, people talk in offices, I'm sorry thats so upsetting to you. Human beings like to talk for work and for social reasons. You can disable the feature and cry when someone vists your cubicle but you can't deny it will be useful.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    check teams and see if someone's in the office because then you can go talk to them directly.

    The fuck you do. You send them a message asking if they're in the office, and if you can come distract them for a minute about NNN.

    Don't be the asshole who breaks people's concentration because your question is more important for you than their work

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    There it is. I was right. "Talk to them directly". That demonstrates a huge problem in your work environment.

    This is how side decisions get made. This is how things skip getting written down. This is how you break protocols, and risk other people wasting time to do some properly because you just took it up with someone. It kills asymmetric work. It make growth difficult as your office expands to other countries and offices. Documentation gets worse, responsibilities get worse.

    This is what ruins work from home.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I think the biggest issue I have with this is the framing. For 99% of workers, your company is exploiting you by making waaaaay more money from your work than they pay you in wages. Employees aren't "lucky enough" to work from home. Capitalists are lucky we work for them. Additional erosion of privacy is not ok. This is a thinly veiled effort from companies to control workers more so they can be exploited harder. That's it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Why does anyone need to know where I am? Makes zero sense. And luck has nothing to do with working from home.

    Also, I remote into work. There are no work owned devices at the places I choose to work from.

    So the only locations they have are Azure, or the data center that houses a desktop environment depending on where I am remoting into.

    This is a stupid useless feature that if you work remotely correctly only introduces more problems.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Cute that you think they dont get your location from your connection to the VM

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    What VM? Or Which VM I should say I guess.

    You are saying the VM on the WVD would report my IP location I am connecting from?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Agreed. It’s updating your status to in-office and updating your office room location.

    Many hybrid workforces already have software that’s doing this as part of desk hoteling.

    If you’re online and not in the office, it’s not updating your location to your home address.

    This is useful for coworkers to figure out where they are at so they can sit close. It might not sound like a useful feature at first but consider how large a campus like Microsoft is. Knowing what building and floor someone is at makes it much easier to work together.

    Some of the other responses here make it sound like they’ve never signed in with a badge before.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Agree as well. Some of the hostile responses here are so insane I have wonder if they've even worked anywhere at all.

    There's so much to hate about Teams and Microsoft. Them trying to make the work status feature not completely useless isn't it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    This is useful for coworkers to figure out where they are at so they can sit close. It might not sound like a useful feature at first but consider how large a campus like Microsoft is. Knowing what building and floor someone is at makes it much easier to work together.

    Just imagine what we could achieve if we could somehow communicate with eachothers verbally!

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