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[–] -1 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Maybe if you read the goddamn article you'd know of one?

The foundation claims that Valve holds a dominant position in the market, estimated at around 85%, and is breaching competition law through so-called Most-Favoured Nation clauses. According to the complaint, these terms prevent developers from selling games more cheaply on rival platforms like the Epic Games Store than on Steam. This, they argue, keeps prices across the PC gaming market artificially elevated.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    But if you go on isthereanydeal.com you will see a whole bunch of online stores that offer sales on games. They offer Steam codes too but are not limited to Steam, they cover many other platforms (including Epic).

    (Those btw are all legit sites showing only sales endorsed by the game publishers themselves, they all sell new game codes. ITAD has a standing policy to only source from that kind of sales, strictly no key resale sites.)

    So if you can get Steam games cheaper than are currently listed on Steam, and many games are also available on GOG which is DRM free... not entirely sure what this lawsuit is about.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Could you share an example of a deal that is less than on Steam? I couldn't find one.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It can import your Steam wishlist and give you tons of examples. 😊

    Here's some: Civ 5, Disco Elysium, Yakuza 6, Borderlands GOTY, Outer Wilds, Doom Eternal.

    You can also make filters that limit the suggestions to a certain sale percentage (eg. 50%+ off), or to a max price (eg. $10).

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I looked at the examples you gave and in all of them, Steam has the lowest price . I added an example of Doom Eternal

    None

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Civ 5 is 30€ on Steam and 2-3€ on other Stores.

    Outer Wilds is 23€ on Steam and 16€ elsewhere.

    There may be regional differences for either of us.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Literally all of them are Steam keys. Do you think that if you buy a Steam key from another site it's somehow not Steam that profits?

    I think you might start to understand what this lawsuit is about haha.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Limited time sales is not what's being talked about. Those are allowed.

    It's the regular pricing. A game listed on steam needs to make up for their 30% cut. Some other sites take a smaller cut. But multiple game companies have found that trying to list their games on non-steam key selling websites, for less money (because they don't have to make up for as big a cut) are getting threatened to have their games removed from Steam for doing so. This is well outside any clause in Steam TOS, and would be illegal even if it was covered.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    But multiple game companies have found that trying to list their games on non-steam key selling websites, for less money (because they don’t have to make up for as big a cut) are getting threatened to have their games removed from Steam for doing so.

    Has any of these claims been proven yet?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    They're still working their way through the courts.

    One of them is over two years old, though, so it's not just a clout chaser blowing hot air based on absolutely nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    One of them is over two years old

    Which only proves my point. They allegedly do, and we yet to discover if they actually do it or Epic, Ubisoft and whatever another publisher are lying. 2 years to prove if Valve was abusing the system and still nothing out there to confirm this suspicion.

    I suspect that is really tough to prove and that is why eventually case will be dropped due to lack of evidence.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    A court case with zero evidence doesn't last 2 years...

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Court case with undeniable and sufficient evidence also doesnt last long. There is more to the story than "they do it/they dont do it"

    But claiming they do before it has been proven is dumb.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Defending a company with multiple unrelated entities suing them over the same thing, including non competitors, before they've been proven to NOT be doing that thing is very stupid.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    with multiple unrelated entities suing them

    How do we know they're really unrelated? A lot of the lawsuits are in the US, where bribery lobbying is very prevalent, and the lawsuits brought forth by private entities could be backed by Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Epic, etc. under the table. Hell, any publisher/developer involved in the ESA is by definition not "unrelated".

    Until these lawsuits are fully resolved, nothing has been proven. All we have are claims and speculation at the moment.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I though that Steam required content parity e.g. you cannot create a cheaper bundle for your own storefront and not sell that exact bundle on Steam. But they have no issue with you generating keys on their platform and either sell those off for cheaper yourself (Humble bundle) or give them away.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Their TOS require non sale price parity with other stores that sell steam keys.

    Nothing else. They'll still threaten to delist your game for seeking it cheaper on sites outside that scenario, hence the multitude of lawsuits.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    They won't. They're here to blindly defend a multi billion dollar company despite it actively costing them more money.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You right here. Blindly defending them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    You know perfectly well what I meant. Do you have proof that prices on Steam were actually artificially inflated?

    Also, claiming I'm blindly defending them? I'm asking for hard evidence and telling people to not blindly believe claims and speculation until proven in court. How is waiting for verified evidence "blind"?

    Pure hypocrisy on your end

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