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TIL that RestlessOS, fork of GrapheneOS, can run GOS on non-pixel phone - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum (discuss.grapheneos.org)
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[–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

Why are a multitude of poor options better than a few good options?

There's this weird mix of free market capitalism and FOSS philosophy that says more and shallower forks = better ecosystem.

Not commenting on this OS specifically, but just questioning your blase assertions that more options is better. Maybe it would be have been better to invest more time into an existing project.

Edit: Great arguments for this OS all around, I'm just saying please DO make an argument instead of just assuming that ANY diversity is good.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    There are a few issues with there being... a single ideal privacy option line of devices (the Pixels):

    • the pixel isn't available for sale in all regions
    • there are only so much Pixels out there.. Meaning less options to choose from and potentially higher prices
    • people using them stand out... So much so some agencies treat Pixel users like criminals even if they don't have Graphene on it
    • Google may choose to end the Pixel line, drastically limit production or remove some feature Graphene relies upon any time they feel like

    Having more vendor choice drastically lowers these negatives. And I can't really think of any negatives for the other side than increased dev time and operating costs.

    Having the privacy features trickle down to other devices is great since some already landed in AOSP.

    However, the trickle down is slow (and often a myth). And some protection is better than no protection.

    Why are a multitude of poor options better than a few good options?

    Is anything other than a Pixel a poor option?

    They may be suboptimal but... Some hardening is definitely better than no hardening any day of the week.

    What actively blocking "okay" or even "good" options when "the perfect" one exists should be plainly obvious.

    Privacy-consciousness will never spread. Which also has negative effects on the privacy-conscious. Namely point 3 of my little list.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Wasn't GOS working with other company to have a second brand that could use GOS? These dudes are nkt stupid and i think they too realuse that relying only on pixels is risky business. I read somewhere that, its not about GOS, the phone or whatever but its about what you need to have so that you can call it a secure phone. The GOS folks have done their homework and concluded that only pixels have what is needed. Whay intreagues me is that the biggest surveilance machine out there built the most secure hardware. Why did they do it?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They are. It's a step in the right direction and I absolutely welcome it.

    However, it's way overdue in my book, and the harm is im the waiting. It's much better to strike while the iron's still hot and avoid these issues. As is not waiting on improving accessibility.

    I'm also intrigued by the fact Google makes such custom devices for the market. I think I came across some explanations lurking (and sometimes popping my head out and commenting) here on Lemmy (and on Reddit before the API apocalypse), but I don't really have anywhere to point you in your search other than Libredirect+Reddit since searching Lemmy has always proven an uncatchable golden goose to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yup. Motorola should be coming out with a GOS-compatible phone in a year or so. There was a bit of buzz because of local age verification requirements, which GOS dev said fuck you to, but I don't think thatś enough to derail the project since I don't think Motorola ever planned to ship GOS, just make it compatible for users and IT depts to install it---which so far does not violate any laws.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Why are a multitude of poor options better than a few good options?

    because you see it wrong. it is not poor just because it is not shiny polished perfect. it is still an improvement over the factory rom, and if the maintainer is trustworthy then it's an improvement over lineage os too.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    How is one unknown maintainer of a project that adds nothing to the one it forked from, better than many well-known LineageOS maintainers?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Why are a multitude of poor options better than a few good options?

    People make do with what they have.

    It would be ideal if everyone had access to the "best" options, so a single approach makes sense, but we don't live in an ideal world.

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