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Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse (matduggan.com)

submitted 6 months ago by ekZepp@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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It became the only reliable source of information I had. People posted links with a minimal amount of commentary, picking and choosing the best content from other social media networks. They’re not doing it to “build a brand” because that’s not a thing in the Fediverse. It’s too disjointed to be a place to build a newsletter subscription base.

[+] notfromhere@lemmy.ml -16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (31 children)

I really do not understand all the .ml hate. If you have it so much why are you using their technology (Lemmy)? So much bullshit being reposted as fact. Basically echo chamber brigading. I left Reddit to escape this shit…

Edit: although judging by your post history you lack conviction and joke about everything, so maybe I missed the mark

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[+] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Really reeks of "if you hate capitalism why do you participate in it?"

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago

I am ver intelligen

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 11 points 6 months ago (26 children)

That’s why I’m advocating for people to switch to piefed and stop donating to the lemmy project which funds .ml.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Unfortunately the "attitude" system makes Piefed unusable.

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[–] r4venw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Whats the "attitude" system?

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (9 children)

PieFed keeps track of how many upvotes and downvotes you give, displays that on your profile and if you downvote too much it takes away your downvote button. That happened to me after a weekend of use. This is Lemmy. There's a lot here that needs downvoting.

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[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Are you downvoting to disagree or are you downvoting because it’s not contributing to the conversation?

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This question shows the inherent flaw with putting any value beyond the function of voting, which is just list ranking.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

Some instances would say down voting at all is inherently flawed, and it is healthier to accomplish ranking by upvoting and moderation alone.

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[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

As soon as it becomes infeasible to read every comment, downvoting to disagree creates echo chambers and encourages groupthink.

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[–] DanWolfstone@leminal.space 6 points 6 months ago

I find the same, though I, and I hope others, use it as an "I agree/this adds to the conversation" button and downvotes exclusively as a "this doesnt add to the conversation or is misinformation" button. I also appreciate seeing the down votes rather than an aggregated score.

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[–] Snoopy@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Here is the full explanation :)

https://piefed.social/post/2048738#comment_11279843

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[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 months ago

That's exactly what they said though?

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

The full explanation is the same thing. Your context adds nothing.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world -1 points 6 months ago

Your current attitude is 1.0, the highest possible and your reputation is in the tens of thousands. If you ever decide to cast another downvote then it'll be accepted.

I think you’re missing this part.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

Agree, this seems completely toxic and ripe for abuse.

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[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (12 children)

That’s why

Which is? I’m still missing something here.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

I really do not understand all the .ml hate. If you have it so much why are you using their technology (Lemmy)?

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[+] notfromhere@lemmy.ml -6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Piefed is a derivative of Lemmy. So you’re not getting away from it.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 7 points 6 months ago (9 children)

And Lemmy is a derivative of Reddit so by your logic you haven’t escaped from it.

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[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml -4 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

Lemmy isn’t compatible with Reddit. Piefed is literally implementing Lemmy’s data structures to specifically be compatible with Lemmy.

So since your stated goal is counter to reality, I have to wonder what your real intent is. I only see this drama as weakening Lemmy and Piefed by extension, not strengthening anything.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

piefed is not a derivative. It's not a fork. It's a completely different project, in a very different programming language even.

neither does it implement specifically lemmy's data structures. its not compatible with lemmy specifically. piefed implements activitypub, and is compatible with activitypub servers. activitypub is not lemmy.

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[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

PieFed is absolutely a "derivative" in terms of its DNA. It’s basically built as a love letter to Lemmy’s specific flavor of ActivityPub.

If you look at the raw JSON, PieFed isn’t just "using ActivityPub", it’s specifically implementing the "Lemmy-isms" that make the Threadiverse work. It uses the same Group actor logic, the same Dislike activity extensions for downvoting, and even mirrors Lemmy’s API routes so you can use apps like Jerboa.

In a way, it’s like how a 3rd-party controller is a "derivative" of a PlayStation controller. The internals are completely different, but it’s shaped exactly that way so it can plug into the same console and work perfectly. PieFed chose to speak "Lemmy-ish" instead of just "ActivityPub-ish" to ensure it wasn't an island.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago

I don't think this is a problem. these data structures have become semi-standard,and they are working fibe, aren't they? should they just change it for change's sake, so that all clients and servers need to implement compatibility code? the problem with lemmy developers is not these standards they have created

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Right.

Any disagreement must be state sponsored shill bots.

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[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You said it not me.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’m just happy to not support a transphobe and a massive hypocrite build their echo chamber that censors words they consider ‘bad.’

If they spend as much time developing the software as they spend policing thought it might be worth something.

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[–] Deftworks@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

This post was removed by the moderator because it violated rule number 1 of this forum.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

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rule 1

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

From one socialist (me) to another (you, presumably), the lemmy.ml hate comes from:

Conservatives who dislike socialism
Liberals who dislike socialism
Socialists who think Stalin and Mao were anti-democratic fuckheads, and don't enjoy being around "socialists" who like them.

I like Lemmy, but can at the same time dislike people who like things I consider to be authoritarian, even if those people created the platform in the first place.

Viewing lemmy.ml content on 'All-Top' is a rather happy medium for me, still get to see some of the best memes

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[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

I’m definitely not a socialist. .ml is where I landed when I joined due to not knowing any better and joining the largest (at the time) instance, and honestly the outside hate is keeping me there.