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Most Canadians support social media ban for kids under 16: poll (cheknews.ca)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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An Angus Reid survey says three-quarters of more than 4,000 respondents are in favour of a ban like the one in Australia, where youth under 16 are prevented from setting up accounts on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat and Threads.

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[–] -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

You're conflating UK age verification laws for accessing porn with Social Media bans in Australia.

There's a difference between prohibiting social media companies from providing services to 13 year olds and legally requiring companies to verify ID.

edit: USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Yes, there is a difference, but one leads to the other. How do you think the bans will be enforced?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

    You can look up the legislation in Australia where uploading ID is one of several verification methods.

    Enforcement doesn't need to be entirely at the point of access. By making it illegal companies are obligated to cancel the account upon discovery they have done so.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    I live in Canada, so not sure what the USA has to do with my verification capabilities. (This article is also Canadian, so not sure what the US has to do with anything)

    But there still needs to be some mechanism for said discovery. If that mechanism is me being subjected to an AI "facial estimate" or uploading my ID, those are big NO's for me.

    If there is a privatized mechanism used simply for "yes this person is an adult" then fine. But as of right now there is no such privatized mechanism in Canada.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (5 children)

    If there is a privatized mechanism used simply for "yes this person is an adult" then fine. But as of right now there is no such privatized mechanism in Canada.

    There is. It's 3rd party verification via major banks or your provincial services account. They don't give your ID out, it's a vouching system.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Which province are you in? I've never heard of such a thing in my province?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Sign into a government website like CRA

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That is Identity Verification. CRA confirms a lot more with your bank than just your age.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You're daft. I'm done.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I'm daft for knowing that CRA and your bank verify identity by both having your social insurance number and CRA uses the bank to authenticate you because they have trouble with ensuring their own authentication is secure? As evidenced by the account issues they had a few years ago?

    Sure. Then call me daft.

    Like I said before, if someone can come up with a privatized way to vouch for my age (and only my age) without needing to scan and store my ID, verify my SIN, or AI "assess" my face, then great. As of right now, it doesn't exist and I don't trust any age restrictions on web access to not lead to such crap as "just upload a photo of your driver's license, we pinky promise to delete it...eventually..."

    The solution CRA and the banks use only works because they both store your SIN and that is their identifier. CRA just trusts that the bank is better at authentication than they are. It's DEFINITELY not a privatized login system.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So how would any proposed laws be enforceable without some sort of ID verification (ie. Age verification) in place?

    Or are we talking a simple "confirm you're not a robot button", but for age? Similar to what porn sites have asking if you're over 18.

    Or would you prefer everyone including yourself need to upload something like a drivers license to access websites... Like Lemmy for example?

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

    As I said, you can look up the legislation in Australia where uploading ID is one of several verification methods.

    Enforcement doesn't need to be entirely at the point of access. By making it illegal companies are obligated to cancel the account upon discovery they have done so.

    LIke you're still conflating 2 very different things based on how your framing your question. It's a strawman tbh. Like you could easily go answer this question for yourself if you cared beyond winning a reddit argument.

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