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6 dead, shooter dead, 25 injured in Tumbler Ridge B.C. school shooting (globalnews.ca)
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When officers entered the school on Tuesday afternoon, they found six victims deceased, RCMP confirmed.

An individual believed to be the shooter was also found deceased with what appears to be a self‑inflicted injury.

Two victims have been airlifted to the hospital with serious or life‑threatening injuries. A third victim died while being transported to hospital. Approximately 25 others are being assessed and triaged at the local medical centre for non‑life‑threatening injuries.

The active shooter alert was lifted at 5:46 p.m. PT.

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[–] 16 points 9 months ago (44 children)

For a second I thought this occurred in America; seems like an every day event here. Dang Canada, are you ok?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (41 children)

    seems like an every day event here.

    What? The worst year for mass shootings in Canada looks like 2022, with 8 shootings. The one with the most casualties was in 1918 in Québec City, 4 dead 100 injured. Highest number of deaths was the 2020 Nova Scotia attacks with 23 dead and 3 injured, but that was a spree, not a single event. The highest deaths in a single event was in Montreal in 1989 with 15 dead 14 injured.

    First shooting (on the Wikipedia article ) is 1902. For the most part it's 1-3 events a year, usually with 1-5 years between, until we get up towards the 90s and 00s.

    Should we compare that with the US?
    2024 saw 711 dead and 2375 wounded in 586 shootings.
    2025 saw 420 dead and 1898 injured in 425 shootings.
    As of 31st of Jan this year, 35 dead and 85 injured in 26 shootings.

    Obviously the US is a poor comparison right?

    So if we look at ONLY public mass shootings:

    shootings that occur in public or semi-public spaces, perpetrated by one perpetrator, resulting in three or more victims randomly selected, with at least one fatality. Public refers to an open public space or public building, such as a school.
    Definition and study.

    And which excludes:

    • family or felony mass shooting
    • incidents involving state-sponsored violence
    • battles over sovereignty
    • organized terrorism

    Between 2000 and 2022, in the US and comparable countries there were 144 public mass shootings across 36 countries, 20 of which had none. If we remove the US from the list (109 events), Canada is 3rd with 4 public mass shootings, all of which are post 2010. Mass shootings are trending upwards globally, which is certainly something to worry about, and something that we need to plan to prevent as a society.

    So what's happening in Canada with gun crime?
    Fucking America.... Lax ass gun laws that contribute heavily to gun violence in the States has a trickle down effect of people being able to go and just buy a gun, stick it under their seat, and drive back into Canada. Upwards of 75% of gun crime in Canada is perpetrated by someone with an illegally imported American firearm. Sweet.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Pretty sure they meant an everyday event in the US not in Canada.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This wiki page goes back to the 19th century. Showing a school shooting in 1884. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_Canada

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Sure, but if you read the article attached to the citation for the 1884 shooting, it sounds like it was an unhinged head teacher angry that the lady teacher didn't want his dick. It was an attempted murder suicide, that happened at a school, because that was their work place. The head teacher fired 3 shots from a revolver, wounding the teacher, then took his own life. I think these weren't on the Mass Shootings list because they don't meet the criteria for it.
    From the wiki page I linked in my OP:

    This is a list of mass shooting and shooting sprees in Canada. Shootings with four or more victims are included on this list, excluding perpetrators.

    Most of the school shooting list seems to be attacks targeting specific victims...and in one instance a door...
    At least until the back half of the 20th century. From 1900-1999 there's 43 instances. Of those only 7 hit the required 4+ victims excluding attacker. All but one are post 1950. The one was 1902.
    Even post 2000 the majority of instances are things like:

    A student fired a rifle in a classroom at Lake Melville School during show-and-tell, hitting no one.

    A student fired a gun on a school bus as he was being driven to school. The student and his friends convinced other occupants the gunshot was harmless and went to school still possessing the firearm. The school's vice-principal subdued the teenager at school and confiscated the firearm.

    Or very much targeted attacks:

    62-year-old Erhun Candir killed his wife, 47-year-old teacher Aysegul Candir, in the parking lot of Bramalea Secondary School.

    2006 is the Dawson College shooting. The next one to go past the 4+ is 2012, a security guard at University of Alberta Edmonton attempted a robbery, killing 3 colleagues and wounding a 4th, attacker arrested attempting to cross the us border. Then the 2016 La Loche shootings. 2024 in Toronto. And then the Tumbler Ridge shooting just the other day.
    One instance in the 19th century, 43 in the entire 20th(as above, only 7 are above the 4+), and the first quarter of the 21st has 29 total with the listed 4. Tumbler Ridge is literally the highest casualty school shooting since 1884. As of the latest update on your linked page 35 victims, 8 dead 27 wounded excluding the attacker. Next closest is the École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal end of '89, 28 victims, 14 dead 14 wounded excluding attacker.

    Thanks for linking that, I hadn't thought to look up a Canadian school shootings list. Gives more context to the history of it in Canada. I feel like it's important to note that the vast majority of Canadian school shootings have less than 5 total wounded and dead including the attacker, with many that have no wounded at all. A lot of them seem to be "crimes of passion" (jilted lovers, kids bullied until they snap, etc.) and seem to have a single intended victim, or kids being fucking stupid with a gun their parent/guardian was too stupid to properly secure...

    Here's the list for US school shootings 2000-2025. 25 year total 642 school shootings. Including attacker(s) total dead 498, total wounded 953. Of those 642 instances.....only 16 count as mass shooting events, 4+ victims excluding attacker.

    It was actually really interesting going through all this data. Upsetting, but interesting.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (31 children)

    And yet Canadian legal gun owners have to pay for that. With the gun bans of the past 6 years banned almost every semi-automatic rifle by name, grandfathering all handguns, and now shotguns are being added to the list.

    They are also looking to expand rifle bans to include any rifle with a detachable magazine... news flash: most bolt-action rifles have detachable magazines.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I'm not super versed in Canadian gun law, I never really had the interest 🤷.
    That said, everything I've heard about new bans/restrictions coming in from my friends and family who hunt sound incredibly reactionary with no actual aim to fix the issues that they state are the aim....

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The money being spent on the ban could be used much more effectively to reduce crime by investing it elsewhere such as mental health services. Many local police forces have refused to participate (its optional for them) citing their resources are better spent elsewhere which will push the costs onto the RCMP.

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (26 children)

    What the hell do you need a gun for! Get lost.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Hunt.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Stop hunting, there are very few wild animals left. We have farms, eat farmed meat.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tell me again you never leave the city

    Vancouver island has too many deer to the point where it's a problem if we don't shoot some of them

    Ever heard of the deer problem on haida gwaii? Every deer killed there is beneficial to the island...

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It was impossible to garden until we put up a skookum fence, and with only a few occasional predators (gulf islands) the deer are shrinking in size yet browse in greater numbers. The forests are out of balance because they are overbrowsed.

    Not much hunting locally due to restrictions, I think it was only shotgun slug and bow a few years back, and there's not much crown land around, so we have a bad deer problem.

    We pulled one part of the ecology out, predation, and people object to replacing it or any fix. It’s going to make wildfires worse and reduces biodiversity.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    We've killed off vast amounts of natural predators. Hunting is regulated and often an important part of population control for the hunted animal. It also isn't just about harvesting the meat, for many it is a deeply rooted cultural tradition.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tradition is not a good argument for continued practice. Many traditions were and are objectively wrong.

    The population control argument is rich. We don't regulate the most destructive species on the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Wisely selective hunting in the absence of adequate predation can be important for an ecosystem, it's old wisdom. (Not that that is how hunting regulation works in Canada of course.)

    But in an interdependent origination view of living in a web, hunting like that is not totally different from how we manage plants that evolved with herbivorous megafauna. Those megafauna are extinct, so now part of the web is broken. So people coppice willows, and they live three times longer and are more resistant to disease. Pruning by teeth is what many deciduous trees and shrubs evolved for, so we have to fill the gap to get a really healthy orchard.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (14 children)

    Sovereignty

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Morons advocating for gun ownership is how we lose sovereignty.

    Average citizens participating in politics and demanding justice is how we keep sovereignty.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Participating in politics and demanding justice are liberal democratic tools of effective governance that should be encouraged and celebrated.

    Sovereignty is about the independence of the state, international autonomy, and territorial integrity.

    When your neighbour routinely threatens your sovereignty and that neighbour happens to lead the world in defense spending and guns per capita, it might be time to consider a CFSC course.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    So good will and vibes keeps Canada sovereign got it. I hope Russia China and America support our vibes.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    The USA has nuclear missiles.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    So your position is anti-gun as a deterrent, but pro-nuclear proliferation as a deterrent?

    Your argument is Americans would threaten nuclear war against Canada, when the vast majority of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border and 70% of Canadians are south of the 49th parallel?

    Or are you suggesting the US would first strike Nunavut?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The finns won the winter war outnumbered 100 to 1, the US doesn't scare me

    And I sure as shit hope our citizens have guns because europe isn't going to show up to help us

    Also I live in Victoria. How is the US going to nuke me without blowing up the Puget sound base in the process?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't dream of wars, only stupid people do. Stop idolizing war, get a life.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    An individual with a firearm isn't keeping anything sovereign. This is the domain of national diplomacy and state militaries. Keep larping though.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    It's not about the "sovereign citizen" or "rugged individualists" as a first line of defense for their nation's sovereignty.

    But it hasn't even been a month since the PM gave this wake-up call:

    It seems that every day we are reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry. That the rules-based order is fading. That the strong do what they can, and the weak must suffer what they must.

    For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We joined its institutions, we praised its principles, we benefited from its predictability. And because of that, we could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.

    We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false. That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient. That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically. And we knew that international law applied with varying rigour depending on the identity of the accused or the victim.

    This fiction was useful, and American hegemony, in particular, helped provide public goods: open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

    This bargain no longer works.

    Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

    ...

    Canadians know that our old, comfortable assumptions that our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security – that assumption is no longer valid.

    ...

    Stop invoking “rules-based international order” as though it still functions as advertised. Call it what it is: a system of intensifying great power rivalry, where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as coercion.

    Americans are not "following the rules" normally afforded to Western powers and we are hopelessly outmatched militarily. But consider how the US has lost foreign military conflicts when faced with armed local insurgencies in the past several decades.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    What is inherently wrong with gun ownership? Every house in switzerland has an assault rifle.

    I think every canadian should have mandatory firearms training too and I think that the PAL is currently far too easy to get. I just did my PAL...it's designed for the average albertan to pass. Lol

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure most of Canada is rural as shit and has like bears and giant moose and stuff. I'd probably want a gun in that environment. I cant really comment for real though, im in the UK and the wilderness is tame as fuck here.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Too many of these gusy move to a rural tourist town, 2hr drive from the city, or move to a mining town...and start to think of themselves as lone libertarian survivalists that hate 'city-idiots'. There are very few people in Canada that actually live remotely or in the bush off-grid. Most of these guys have no interest in environmental issues, studying nature, and are just obsessed with owning guns and trucks.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why the fuck my man getting downvoted for actually doing the legwork. Thanks for all this.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I'm not sweating it bud, I definitely didn't have my reading comprehension hat on when I first read the comment I replied to. Most people vote by vibe, and even if I did a bunch of combing through lists and doing a write up, I started off a bit antagonistic.
    I appreciate this though, I did put a lot of effort into it 😅

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