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Guess Carney really pissed off the orange turd. (lemmy.ca)
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[–] 1 point 9 months ago* (5 children)

I read your post but it's just not true. Ukraine is clearly NOT a Nazi state. Is Zelenskyy a Nazi? Is he rounding up all the Jews in death camps? Is he rounding up ethnic Russians in death camps? No he isn't. Why are you defending Russia's attempted imperial conquest of Ukraine?

You can point to some far-right soldiers in Azov, just like I can point to far-right Russians in the Rusich Group, or far-right Germans in the AfD. None of those countries are Nazi countries though, just because they have some far-right/Nazi people within each country. Do you think Germany's current government is a Nazi government, just because some neo-Nazis exist in Germany? That logic does not make sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Is he rounding up all the Jews in death camps? Is he rounding up ethnic Russians in death camps?

    You're overly fixated on anti-Jew identity/action as definition of Nazi. Hitler disliked Jews for 2 reasons. Perceived Zionist treason in WW1 to get UK/US involved in war, and 2 Soviet/Communism thought leadership was Jewish. In 1933 election, Communist party gained official opposition, and NDSAP economic policies were identical to Reagan's "trickle down" voodoo economics, but labelled socialist only because communism was "so hot at the time".

    Ideology ruling Ukraine, thanks to US/CIA, would murder all Russians if they could.

    Why are you defending Russia’s attempted imperial conquest of Ukraine?

    Russia is the only side that has offered any peace plans. Completely reasonable red lines, the US insisted wouldn't matter. There is zero basis to call Ukraine war "Russian imperialism". Red Army marching to Berlin doesn't mean they started that conflict either.

    To OP, when you oppose denazification of Ukraine, you support all US empire rule and lies. "Middle powers" can't afford to hate all of the major powers simultaneously.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Ideology ruling Ukraine, thanks to US/CIA, would murder all Russians if they could.

    If you believe this then show that Zelenskyy was having all ethnic Russians in Ukraine rounded up and murdered between his election in 2019 and the increase of the Russian invasion in February 2022. I don't think you can show that, because I don't think it was happening.

    Completely reasonable red lines, the US insisted wouldn’t matter. There is zero basis to call Ukraine war “Russian imperialism”.

    Russia's demands are the subjugation of Ukraine to Russia, and also the seizure of some of Ukraine's land to be incorporated into Russia. This is naked imperialism.

    when you oppose denazification of Ukraine, you support all US empire rule and lies

    As I said before, there are some far-right people in Ukraine, just like there are in Russia, and Germany, and France, etc, but that doesn't mean Ukraine's government is a Nazi government. As for the US empire, Trump wants to give less and less support to Ukraine. I think it would make no sense to claim that Ukraine is fighting on behalf of American interests. Ukraine is fighting for the right to keep their land and make their own democratic political decisions without being subjugated by Russia.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    show that Zelenskyy was having all ethnic Russians in Ukraine rounded up and murdered between his election in 2019 and the increase of the Russian invasion in February 2022

    Within his power, he was trying. Even as his election campaign was to stop the nazi terrorism and implement Minsk accords, he did no such thing, and in fact as Russia got angrier and massed troops along the border in 2022, he directly had UKR military increase shelling and murder operations in Donbas. Forcing Russian humanitarian action.

    Russia’s demands are the subjugation of Ukraine to Russia

    Categorically false. Since beginning, no NATO (or US missile bases), and no nazis. That is not subjugation. West needing nazis to subjugate Ukrainian people to die for nazi bribes to the last Ukrainian is far more damaging to people than exterminating their nazi rulership.

    Ukraine is fighting for the right to keep their land and make their own democratic political decisions without being subjugated by Russia.

    Also categorically absurd. Suicidal Russophobia nazi scum have reduced GDP by over 75%, mass emigration, and destruction of country purely for western bribery in failed attempt to diminish Russia. The most evil and stupid war in history, IMO. Yes, including Hitler/Napoleon, who could have made some reasonable calculation of enhancing Germany, even if it was disastrous. Georgia and Ukraine CIA coups, with full colonial support, are simply pure demonic evil, but also relevant, backfiring to weaken the empire.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Within his power, he was trying

    You have not shown that Zelenskyy was rounding up ethnic Russians to have them murdered, in a similar style to how Nazi Germany murdered Jews and other Holocaust victims. Therefore it makes zero sense to try to describe Ukraine as a Nazi state.

    he directly had UKR military increase shelling and murder operations in Donbas. Forcing Russian humanitarian action.

    The Donbas is Ukrainian territory and Russia invaded it. Ukraine tried to restore order there, as any country would, if they were being invaded. As for "humanitarian action", Russia was invading Ukraine and murdering Ukrainians. That's not humanitarian.

    Categorically false. Since beginning, no NATO (or US missile bases), and no nazis.

    It's objectively true that the Kremlin's aim is to subjugate Ukraine. It is no business of Russia's whether Ukraine joins NATO or not. It's also no business of Russia's whether Ukraine has Nazis in their country, although I would guess the number of actual neo-Nazis in Ukraine is very small.

    The most evil and stupid war in history, IMO.

    Russia's invasion of Ukraine is definitely evil and stupid. So why did the Kremlin launch this invasion? Hubris and imperialistic desires I guess.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Naziism is not defined by reaching 1M genocided milestone

    It is no business of Russia’s whether Ukraine joins NATO or not.

    The dementia or moral failure of Ukrainian nazi supporters is that it is very important to them to diminish Russia through nazi rulership, and not important at all that Ukrainian people/society survives/prospers. Suggesting that no one outside of US is ever allowed an opinion on warmongering is not actual praise of democracy. It is demonic stubbornness that ends in getting nuked or collapse/defeat, because not only is NATO pure demonic evil, making any democratic process supporting it one of pure demonic evil (fraud likely), but NATO turns out to be weaker than Russia. Russophobia propaganda is targeted at our uninformed, and does not convince Russians that world loves them, and that destabilization of Russia will be good for Russians. Inflation, militarism and draft threats actually weakens the democracy and values charade in our NATO captured colonies, and substantially increases our US subjugation, because our rulership's political capital is committed to the absolute evil of Russophobia propaganda. Trump's explicit, vs CIA subterfuged tacit, increase in subjugation is easier when our morons just say that threats against us are just alliance with Putin, and our response should be increased Russophobia. The moron has zero capacity to re-evaluate the critical question of "pick just one enemy"

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