Didn't know where to post this but man, I so get it.

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[–] 216 points 9 months ago (39 children)

Americans are being killed in the street right now fighting back

Not sure what point is being made here

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  • [–] 92 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    This is propaganda to further divide

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Every single time someone online claims to be this or that identity from this or that country, they are doing it as a black man. You cannot trust claims online accounts make about their identity.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    I don't need to trust OOP. In USians own words that they were repeating ad nauseam on Reddit for the past four years, Russians are all responsible for Putin's actions because they didn't overthrow him. Tell me why the same shouldn't apply to USians.

    They said that Russians should've protested, and that would cure Putin's dictatorship. Which Russians did, culminating with Bolotnaya in 2011, after which the downturn to authoritarianism only accelerated; and particularly in east and north regions practically every year, with six months of protests sometimes.

    They also said that Russians should've overthrown Putin with other means, i.e. unarmed clerks should've gone against the police, Rosgvardiya, FSB and the military.

    Well let's see then how this protesting thing and overthrowing thing works out for USians, and if it doesn't then we will speak the same of them as they did about Russians. Trump is still on the throne after one year, yall seem to be slacking.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe you'll feel better if you overthrow Putin.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, why don't I also overthrow Trump while I'm at it, since USians seemingly can't do shit about him despite talking a lot of talk. And then overthrow Vučić and Orbán because I'm responsible for all of them, and never people of those countries themselves.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They are calling out americans to do something about their fascist government, who they are trying to divide?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This divides US individuals from their allies elsewhere. The nation has failed to represent its people. Either help us sabotage the fascist machinery now or prepare yourself for when the regime reaches your doorstep. The villains here don't respect borders except when they divide and control the rest of us. Don't help them do that.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    How does this divides US individuals from their allies?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    This post essentially says "Don't tell us if you disagree with the fascists, we don't care". I don't see how any good will come from burying your head in the sand and ignoring potential allies and reinforcing in-group/out-group divisions. That actually supports their evil divide-and-conquer strategy!

    The only groups that should matter here are the wealth-hoarding fascists vs everyone else in the world. They don't care what country we're from our what languages we speak or what recipes we got from our grandmothers; they ultimately want to enslave or murder us all.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not nearly enough of us are fighting back.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Part of it, I think, is that a random person apologizing on behalf of an entire country is rather pointless. It doesn't benefit that other country at all (in a personal sense a genuine apology might provide reassurance that the apologizer doesn't intend to repeat some offense, but a person apologizing for an entire country, that they don't control, can make no such garuntee, same as apologizing on behalf of an unrepentant stranger would be pointless). The only thing it really does is make the person apologizing feel slightly better about what is going on.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    rather pointless

    If little actions like that didn't happen, the international stage would see us as a monolith all supporting Trump. Your only source of truth would be our media.

    That would be horrible.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    I get that sentiment, but consider: there are orders of magnitude more people in the US than Greenland. As such, if Americans go into communities for Greenland to demonstrate to them that we don't all support Trump in such a way, the result would be less a "little thing" and more the people actually using that community getting bombarded with Americans apologizing for the actions of other Americans in a space meant to be for Greenland. I'm not from there and so can't say for sure how that comes across, but I at least imagine that were I from Greenland, I'd probably find this far more annoying than reassuring.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    You actually think it makes them feel any better? Like they’re actually doing a narcissistic masturbation and patting themselves on the back for having done their part? THAT’S your projection of events? Jesus Christ lmao it’s a completely ordinary way of revealing to others there are citizens on their side too

    You sound more irony poisoned and cynical than the fictional character you just made up

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Some Americans. The vast majority aren't doing anything or just complaining in the internet. A HUGE amount on the Internet have the attitude of "someone save us". Most are just sitting back waiting for the "breaking point" and others to start the action so they know it's safe to join in.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    The point being made here is that having a textual emotional breakdown 'apology video' on a niche social media platform is completely fucking useless toward solving the problem, and that uselessness is so performative that it is actually insulting.

    The Americans that are actually doing something about it?

    Different topic.

    Because they are actually doing something about it.

    They're not wasting their energy writing useless and meaningless apologies, making it ultimately about how ashamed they are to be an-

    Nobody fucking cares about how sorry anyone one is when the harm is ongoing and worsening.

    You bringing up Americans who actually are resisting, that is a non sequitur, it is completely missing the point.

    Sincerely, An American who is sick of other American's self-centered 'main character' bullshit.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    Americans are being killed in the street right now fighting back

    More often than not, they're being killed on the street (or in their homes or bleeding out in hospital wards or in detention cells) without ever lifting a finger. This isn't Sparta. We're not a bunch of paramilitary guerrillas with years of experience resisting an armed occupation. The bulk of American resistance is rhetorical - protest marches, sit ins, etc - because that's what we've all been trained to believe is the most effective.

    Not sure what point is being made here

    That apologies fall flat when the bombs start landing. Greenland people need a real material international resistance to Trumpist Imperialism, not a Wisconsin Nice "gee golly this isn't what we wanted" letter from the well-meaning people working at the F-35 jet engine factory.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Oh, sorry if that offended the americans heros who are protesting against what they voted for. Being Canadian, knowing that makes me realize everything is ok and I will stop mentionning your country is threatening to annex mine on a daily basis because some of you don't want to too. Greenland and Venezuela should also stfu and let americans handle this like they always do, the best possible way.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Ope, can't say "I didn't vote for this" because that's an annoying cliche too. I'm guessing you helped bury those Inuit kids under that schoolyard since you're Canadian and you all think that same like all Americans do

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    JFK, yeah, excellent example: the whole point of the reconciliation process is recognizing that there is collective responsibility beyond individual actions.

    I didn’t direct the genocide, but fucking rights I benefit as a settler, and repairing that involves both compensation and recognition of the existence of those benefits. It’s an ongoing struggle here as a lot of immature thinking still exists, crying about “it wasn’t me, stop blaming” while eating the fruits of colonialism every breathing moment.

    Greenlanders don’t own land. They don’t have this individualism problem very much.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm all for reconciliation, and trying to make things better even if you didn't participate in the colonialism. That is a good thing to do and something I try to do on my own life.

    We're not talking about that in this thread.

    We're talking about collective blame for the actions of others. If your government does something that's amoral, and even if you're trying to stop it, it does it anyway, are you copable?

    Reconciliation says that even if you didn't do the things, if you benefit from it, it's your responsibility to try to fix it. That's not what people are advocating for, they are gleefully saying people deserve to have a boot on their neck just because they happen to live in this country.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah lol, about that, let's ask my Attikamek mom about her time in a residency school.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't matter if you're under the boot or wearing it, you're all the same so you all deserve it, right? You Canadians voted for it and allowed it to happen.

    Oh wait that's a shitty take? Maybe reconsider using it on others.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago

    Get fucked, we both know you wont be doing shit and will keep hiding behind your computer when he makes is move on Greenland and Canada. As long as Amazon will keep delivering them crap made in China, americans will be all words and no act.

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  • [+] -20 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    wow what an exaggaration. even though it's a terrible situation, ONE person got killed by ONE ICE-prick. people arent 'killed in the street fighting back' most of you aren't doing shit. Renee Good was ALONE

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago

    It's that true, or was it just one? It's not like there is some real resistance.

    It's sort of like Russia. There is some opposition, but nobody really wants to do anything real. Just that in Russia you get sent to the gulag, in America is just so much apathy and stupidity not many even understand what's happening and had no idea what to do even if they did.

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