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ICE shoots paintball gun at face of protester point blank to surpress protests against killing of female protester (files.catbox.moe)
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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    You don't fucking get it. No one listen to this guy.

    FEAR OF ESCALATION WILL ONLY BRING MORE ESCALATION.

    The "don't be provoked" thing only works in the old world. The one where rules and laws still exist.

    These people are taking over, completely, and they will happily do so over your dead body if that's what it takes.

    They know it, and I'm starting to get the feeling the shooter yesterday had instructions to kill. The fact that the shooter is not in custody is ALL the evidence anyone needs now to fully understand.

    Good luck to all.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    For real, people like ghost are more likely plants or bots that are trying to defuse and capture pressure so you don't do what needs to be done. MAGA lives don't matter, they have passed the moral event horizon. Do the right thing and defend yourself from our domestic enemies.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    While the part about them being ordered to do it is unfounded, the part where they shoot a bullet and kill an innocent person, then interfere with people trying to save her, then lying about what happened at the highest levels of goverment, then saying we owe the murderer a debt of gratitude..... that's all just objective fact, sweetheart. Draw your own conclusions. 2 + 2 = 5 and all that.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm sorry, is somebody here to cite my work? As if it would take me more than 10 seconds to look at your history and find some failures of logical consistency.

    No actual comment on the topic? Shocking. Just shocking.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Renee didn't escalate, and see what that got her?

    ICE is dependent on people not being able to fight back. They are bullies, and would be much less likely to engage if they could end up getting three bullets in the face. Power that can be applied to them, is the only thing that a bully would respect.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Right, she didn't and we get outrage and a chance. If she pulled a gun on ICE then ICE would actually have ammo for their actions. I know how it sounds, but killing peaceful protestors is a very different thing from killing aggressive protestors. Deaths will increase with aggression from our side.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Read up on the nazi occupation of Europe, in many places like the Netherlands where people engaged in peaceful protest after surrender, while the Dutch government started to work with the nazis. Hence they were able to do all their bullshit, such as mass deportations. There's multiple spaces in the Netherlands that are basically mass graves or memorials because we tried to reason with fucking nazis.

    But in other places such as Denmark, people resisted and fought back together with government support despite the occupation, because of this the nazis weren't able to do most of their shit. Your country is currently infested with nazis who are deporting your people, fight them, don't reason with them. Sabotage them, refuse them service, boycott companies that provide them with services, make their lives hell, don't let them shop in your stores, walk on your streets or do anything, it's the only option.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Renee wouldn't have to pull a gun, so long as some observers and protesters are carrying. This is because there is an implication: "If you harm us, we will do the same to you." It would go BOTH ways.

    Problem is, ICE doesn't have consequences of any kind to keep them from committing violence. They get the satisfaction of hurting people, without paying a price for it.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    The other thing that's horrible but meaningful to absorb is that: We are at war with ICE. It's not "escalation towards war", this slow motion of opinions is the war.

    If you imagine the many thousands of people who died for our freedoms in World War 2, it becomes impossible to fathom, both the tragic loss, and the bravery of those volunteering to go. We're instead fighting along ideology lines, rather than an actual frontline.

    Point being, choosing to risk one's self to announce ICE's presence and protest their actions is a similar form of bravery, and it does have an impact. Everyone choosing to tackle that challenge should be aware of the nonzero chance their actions may result in being a victim of violence or even death. If you can look to the bravery of old war veterans, and accept the comparably low, but still present, level of risk from nonviolent protest, it becomes easier to accept it as a path forward; especially since we can unfortunately see that a decade of fighting Nazi Germany did not utterly destroy the Nazi party.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Exactly what "violence" was Renee Good guilty of?

    These gestapo don't need excuses or justification because they have no responsibility or consequences.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It's not what OC means.

    If people start actually fighting against ICE, as in, with physical violence, Trump will enact martial law and take any remaining restrictions off of his goons.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    While I don't think we should show them our violent side, I would not evoke fears of martial law. Trump wants people to naturally follow the concept of martial law because he does not have the resources or support to enact it. It's what AOC said; "Do not comply in advance". Don't believe any claims that the gestapo "could choose to make things worse".

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Kidnapping sole individuals, even presidents, turns out to not require quite as many resources as you’d think. They focus on these sole moments of fear because they don’t have the means to accomplish the pervasive military occupation they want. Hence very poorly directed National Guard deployments where the guard is puttering around unsure what’s expected of them (because Trump is afraid to say the quiet part out loud: Beat citizens)

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    He already assumes an alternate reality. He already made up BS to deploy National Guard. Now his Gestapo executes people in the street and they're making up terrorist accusations.

    He WILL absolutely declare martial law based on made up threats. It's not a "if", it's only a "when". His goons can already shoot people in the street in front of cameras, I don't know how much more restrictions you believe they have.

    I'm not tellling you to take arms, I have the privilege to not live in the US, but do you realize the escalation pace you've been through in 1 year, and you still think it won't go further?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Protestors are coming to these events with no weapons in hand, I think it is perfectly reasonable, given what we've seen, for protestors to be carrying guns like the black panthers did. ICE needs to know that thier violence will not go unopposed, the need to SEE that.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    Dude, they are already shooting and killing peaceful protesters. What does escalation even mean in that context? They'll shoot and kill even more people? When someone is shooting at you, self defense is allowed.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    I advocate for violence all the time. That's because I hate them.

    I think it's silly to prolong this. They are doing damage by the day.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    No, we're way passed this point. They are going to enact violence no matter how well behaved you are. The only hope is to show up in massive numbers and remind them how many more of us there are.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    This seems like just a guess though of what seems "likely" and who "they" support. Truth is that no one knows. They may be supporting you as your argument is one that suppresses resistance and makes it seem futile, which also favours them and can be quite dangerous.

    Not that I know what the truth is, just want to make clear no one knows. And they do not seem to need a justification for violence anyway.

    They're just playing you (saying this from outside US) because they know you can't make sense of this, and resisting or not will both work in their favour.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Okay can you share our next moves?

    Because my calculus says civil war is inevitable and better earlier than later as they are actively preparing. They will look to build camps and disarm. It should crack off now.

    The longer we wait the stronger their position became.

    But please if you have a grandmaster mate worked out let’s hear it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    The most effective non-violent action we can take is joining local mutual aid groups, reading Full Spectrum Resistance for more details, and ultimately preparing and organizing for a General Strike.

    The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

    If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).

    And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.

    • 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
    • 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
    • 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
    • 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
    • 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
    • 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
    • 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
    • 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
    • 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
    • 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
    • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW
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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    Bullies need to be punched in the face.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Then so be it. It would have been that at the start, and it will be that now.

    What are people waiting for, the US military to spontaneously combust?

    Fight now, or fight harder later. Those are your options unless you plan to run. Understand that.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Foreign interference account.

    No one believes legitimate midterm elections are happening. Or that if they happen, the results will be accepted by MAGA. No one.

    Anyone pushing for "we must crush them in the elections" is either willfully pushing a false narrative, or a complete fucking moron.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I’ll bet you also like to call Trump TACO, too, huh?

    That they will escalate their violence is inevitable. At this point we should all be organizing our communities for self defense.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    TACO only refers to dealing with bodies who can and do resist him. China can hit him. Europe can hit him. Even Canada can bite (and some tariff to take effect in 2026 were just pushed out to 2027, because… TACO!).

    But "his" people does not bite (yet). So no limit there until he feels some kind of pain in return.

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