▲ 297 ▼ Birbs & Dinos (mander.xyz) submitted 10 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 25 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (4 children) I kinda know what some of those words mean. Can I get a picture? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 10 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago Which is especially weird if you’ve ever held a bird in your hands and looked at its feet up close: birds are scaly! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) Any particular words you don't know? Probably the most likely ones are para- and monophyletic. For a taxon (scientific grouping) to be a valid clade, it needs to be monophyletic, meaning it contains the most recent common ancestor of the group's other members and all known descendants of that common ancestor. Paraphyletic, by contrast, means not all the descendants are in there. For example, imagine if the mammals just randomly excluded the bears – that would be paraphyletic, because the bears also share a common ancestor with the other mammals. So a monophyletic group of your family tree might include your grandmother, all her children, and all their children's children, etc. A paraphyletic one might exclude Gertrude and her kids because she got drunk and stole and wrecked the LeBaron and we fucking know she did it and we don't talk to her after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago That was a brilliant explanation, thank you. para- and mono-phyletic were indeed the problem words. I can tell they are related to phylum but “phylum” doesn’t mean much to me except to know that it’s a word for some grouping of species. The other part where I was snagged is the significance of cladistics and the new/old classification methods. I knew both terms as “words for groups of species and hadn’t dug further. Between the family tree example and the diagram — got it, thanks to you and your sibling reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 10 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago Which is especially weird if you’ve ever held a bird in your hands and looked at its feet up close: birds are scaly! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago Which is especially weird if you’ve ever held a bird in your hands and looked at its feet up close: birds are scaly! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) Any particular words you don't know? Probably the most likely ones are para- and monophyletic. For a taxon (scientific grouping) to be a valid clade, it needs to be monophyletic, meaning it contains the most recent common ancestor of the group's other members and all known descendants of that common ancestor. Paraphyletic, by contrast, means not all the descendants are in there. For example, imagine if the mammals just randomly excluded the bears – that would be paraphyletic, because the bears also share a common ancestor with the other mammals. So a monophyletic group of your family tree might include your grandmother, all her children, and all their children's children, etc. A paraphyletic one might exclude Gertrude and her kids because she got drunk and stole and wrecked the LeBaron and we fucking know she did it and we don't talk to her after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago That was a brilliant explanation, thank you. para- and mono-phyletic were indeed the problem words. I can tell they are related to phylum but “phylum” doesn’t mean much to me except to know that it’s a word for some grouping of species. The other part where I was snagged is the significance of cladistics and the new/old classification methods. I knew both terms as “words for groups of species and hadn’t dug further. Between the family tree example and the diagram — got it, thanks to you and your sibling reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago That was a brilliant explanation, thank you. para- and mono-phyletic were indeed the problem words. I can tell they are related to phylum but “phylum” doesn’t mean much to me except to know that it’s a word for some grouping of species. The other part where I was snagged is the significance of cladistics and the new/old classification methods. I knew both terms as “words for groups of species and hadn’t dug further. Between the family tree example and the diagram — got it, thanks to you and your sibling reply. permalink fedilink source parent