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This is madness (lemmy.world)
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[–] 12 points 1 year ago (16 children)

How far north do you live to get darkness at 3.30 pm?

Its also not a choice between ops pictures and this because i am convinced they are criticising daylight saving In summer, which does not affect winter.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yes, it is mocking DST.

    Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn't have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.

    DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Why on earth would that be preferable? Unless you get up at 5am the morning sunlight is wasted, and you have less sun to enjoy in the evenings

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    First of all, I don't wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.

    Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn't go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.

    I would rather have more summer sun in the cool morning before work than the blazing hot sun in the evenings after work. I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    First of all, I don't wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.

    I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.

    Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn't go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.

    This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.

    I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.

    Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country

    You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn't even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.

    Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn't have to follow DST for work then it wouldn't matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn't what we are talking about.

    The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world's average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn't come up at the natural time.

    If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.

    Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.

    You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Objectively,

    Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.

    Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)

    Subjectively,

    Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.

    Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How does keeping kids inside the whole time the sun is up improve their mental health over giving them an extra hour of sun after school that they can actually enjoy?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am no psychologist but it’s about how their day night cycle develops which is very different from adults.

    Daylight is one of the systems it uses to self regulate and start feeling awake.

    School actually starts to soon in many places, that already a major part of it. Research (not at hand) actually show grades go up if school starts later. We basically force kids to be tired to fit our schedule and it gets worse for teens.

    With delayd sunlight. They wont really be properly awake for almost half their “productive” day”.

    We also know that lack of sleep is a pillar of mental health conditions, now include all the dormant mental health conditions kids already carry and with growing up in this timeline.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Circadian rhythms aren't based solely on the sun. They are also based on social and physical activity. Things they don't get when sitting indoors for the entirety of their daylight hours.

    Lack of sleep is primarily because they are not physically tired come bed time. They aren't physically tired becauae they haven't engaged in any physical activity all day. They've been obligated to sit indoors during daylight hours, and they don't have daylight for outdoor evening activities.

    Instead, they get to sit indoors, under artificial lighting and watching bright screens, both of which screw up their sleep schedules.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is "normal" time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.

    "Standard" time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.

    Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.

    Locking the clocks on normal, "summer" time solves the problems with the time change. The "kids walking to school in the dark" problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.

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