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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 year ago (58 children) Not mine... Graphene, baby. permalink fedilink source hideshow 58 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 16 points 1 year ago (26 children) I haven't quite pulled the trigger on installing Graphene yet. How is it.as a daily driver? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (6 children) Two years, I barely notice. 1 in 30 apps has an issue, then I click the switch remove system memory protections and it works. It's the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) I second this. Been using GOS for almost a year. One pretty big drawback is that it's not compatible with my insulin pump app, so now I carry around a 2nd device. Some banking apps aren't compatible as well. Wells Fargo and Amex work for me but Chase doesn't. The increased security and privacy is very noticeable, the inconveniences are worth it imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wells fargo and Chase are stealing your money. Join a credit union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) insulin pump app Hopefully it's just for additional stats and options. Would be quite diabolical for a life-saving device to depend on an app that demands regular Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago Weird. Amex works for me. My banking apps require the memlock protection turned off in settings, and so does my parking app. Otherwise, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been using it for about a year now. The only differences I noticed were entirely positive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Agreed. It's nice having a phone with the software you want on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) The show stopers are some banking apps that don't work and tap to pay If that's not an issue for you, then I've had zero problems running GOS. You'll spend the first week figuring out using different profiles, the cleaner interface, installing things that you actually want. But after that you won't even notice the difference. I use Android auto, I have Google installed in a profile for it, everything else is clean without Google, everything works fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) So like, you create a sandboxes profile for Google and log into that in your car and use android auto, get to your destination and switch back? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Kinda but you have 3 profiles active at once: owner work private So google just lives in one and the others are clean. From a usage perspective it's seamless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Getting a used one is cheaper AND you don´t give money directly to Google. Or wait a year or two for the other Graphene phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago any phone over 300 dollars CAD is expensive. i don't need 4K and all that other shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* I've been using it since the Pixel 3 days. Tap to pay doesn't work, and some people have reported banking apps not working, although my banking apps do work. Also, certain pixel-exclusive features like now playing don't work. And you are going to need to install play services or other Google components if you want stuff like notifications in various apps or text-to-speech and speech-to-text in the browser, etc. Aside from that, it's incredible. Works perfectly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fucking up, and I say that in the kindest way. You'll spend 2 days figuring out issues if you even have them. It also has one of the coolest installers of all time. Save what you need to and jump ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago no tap to pay and some banking apps dont work. but honestly, you should be ditching google stuff altogehter if your going that far of replacing stock android and only use FOSS apps you trust from f-droid permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (30 children) The irony of having to buy a Google phone to get rid of Google services will never cease to amaze me. :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (11 children) Graphene is working with a different OEM, so, we may not need Google's devices to run GrapheneOS soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It... got rebranded into LineageOS? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] wilmo@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You can buy second hand phones and then Google doesn't get any more money. Easy solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Batteries are good now though. I buy almost all used tech where possible. No complaints. If you get a sufficiently new used phone, it's not physically possible for the battery to have undergone enough cycles to degrade noticably. Very good value early on I'd say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] scott@lem.free.as 9 points 1 year ago Unfortunately, Google manufacture the best-in-class hardware device when it comes to security features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won't send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can. Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don't have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can't crack open GrapheneOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn't installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google. But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) The real irony is paying Google what you'd pay for an iPhone 16 and getting iPhone 11 performance and they're spying on you and selling your personal information to who knows who. Okay but you wiped the phone and installed custom firmware that doesn't track you... but you still paid Google the price of current-gen iPhone and got a phone with the performance of one from 5 years ago. Google still won. The personal information is the point, that's the real gold mine, and they'll get it from enough people to not care about the less than 1% of Pixel owners flashing Graphene. For those users, they're happy to sell generations-old tech at a premium. And they call you a sucker behind your back. And then tell you Apple is the big corporate overlord you're running from and make it sound like Apple is the enemy. (I'm not saying they're not, but that's a convenient story among fandroids. And it may not even be accurate. Because iOS has no open source component though... we don't know.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, probably not. I'm just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don't. What I said was that because it's closed source, we don't actually know. We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don't know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their "Privacy. That's iPhone" campaign. They certainly wouldn't be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal. The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple's hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it's that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I'm not sure. I've also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway. Fortunately, Macs don't require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn't get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 16 points 1 year ago (26 children) I haven't quite pulled the trigger on installing Graphene yet. How is it.as a daily driver? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (6 children) Two years, I barely notice. 1 in 30 apps has an issue, then I click the switch remove system memory protections and it works. It's the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) I second this. Been using GOS for almost a year. One pretty big drawback is that it's not compatible with my insulin pump app, so now I carry around a 2nd device. Some banking apps aren't compatible as well. Wells Fargo and Amex work for me but Chase doesn't. The increased security and privacy is very noticeable, the inconveniences are worth it imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wells fargo and Chase are stealing your money. Join a credit union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) insulin pump app Hopefully it's just for additional stats and options. Would be quite diabolical for a life-saving device to depend on an app that demands regular Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago Weird. Amex works for me. My banking apps require the memlock protection turned off in settings, and so does my parking app. Otherwise, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been using it for about a year now. The only differences I noticed were entirely positive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Agreed. It's nice having a phone with the software you want on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) The show stopers are some banking apps that don't work and tap to pay If that's not an issue for you, then I've had zero problems running GOS. You'll spend the first week figuring out using different profiles, the cleaner interface, installing things that you actually want. But after that you won't even notice the difference. I use Android auto, I have Google installed in a profile for it, everything else is clean without Google, everything works fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) So like, you create a sandboxes profile for Google and log into that in your car and use android auto, get to your destination and switch back? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Kinda but you have 3 profiles active at once: owner work private So google just lives in one and the others are clean. From a usage perspective it's seamless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Getting a used one is cheaper AND you don´t give money directly to Google. Or wait a year or two for the other Graphene phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago any phone over 300 dollars CAD is expensive. i don't need 4K and all that other shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* I've been using it since the Pixel 3 days. Tap to pay doesn't work, and some people have reported banking apps not working, although my banking apps do work. Also, certain pixel-exclusive features like now playing don't work. And you are going to need to install play services or other Google components if you want stuff like notifications in various apps or text-to-speech and speech-to-text in the browser, etc. Aside from that, it's incredible. Works perfectly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fucking up, and I say that in the kindest way. You'll spend 2 days figuring out issues if you even have them. It also has one of the coolest installers of all time. Save what you need to and jump ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago no tap to pay and some banking apps dont work. but honestly, you should be ditching google stuff altogehter if your going that far of replacing stock android and only use FOSS apps you trust from f-droid permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (6 children) Two years, I barely notice. 1 in 30 apps has an issue, then I click the switch remove system memory protections and it works. It's the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) I second this. Been using GOS for almost a year. One pretty big drawback is that it's not compatible with my insulin pump app, so now I carry around a 2nd device. Some banking apps aren't compatible as well. Wells Fargo and Amex work for me but Chase doesn't. The increased security and privacy is very noticeable, the inconveniences are worth it imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wells fargo and Chase are stealing your money. Join a credit union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) insulin pump app Hopefully it's just for additional stats and options. Would be quite diabolical for a life-saving device to depend on an app that demands regular Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago Weird. Amex works for me. My banking apps require the memlock protection turned off in settings, and so does my parking app. Otherwise, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) I second this. Been using GOS for almost a year. One pretty big drawback is that it's not compatible with my insulin pump app, so now I carry around a 2nd device. Some banking apps aren't compatible as well. Wells Fargo and Amex work for me but Chase doesn't. The increased security and privacy is very noticeable, the inconveniences are worth it imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wells fargo and Chase are stealing your money. Join a credit union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) insulin pump app Hopefully it's just for additional stats and options. Would be quite diabolical for a life-saving device to depend on an app that demands regular Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago Weird. Amex works for me. My banking apps require the memlock protection turned off in settings, and so does my parking app. Otherwise, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wells fargo and Chase are stealing your money. Join a credit union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Everybody's stealing my money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) insulin pump app Hopefully it's just for additional stats and options. Would be quite diabolical for a life-saving device to depend on an app that demands regular Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago The app that I was using to fully control it doesn't work, which is why I carry around the OEM receiver/transmitter for the pump now. My pump would not function without one of those two options. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago Weird. Amex works for me. My banking apps require the memlock protection turned off in settings, and so does my parking app. Otherwise, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been using it for about a year now. The only differences I noticed were entirely positive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Agreed. It's nice having a phone with the software you want on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Agreed. It's nice having a phone with the software you want on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) The show stopers are some banking apps that don't work and tap to pay If that's not an issue for you, then I've had zero problems running GOS. You'll spend the first week figuring out using different profiles, the cleaner interface, installing things that you actually want. But after that you won't even notice the difference. I use Android auto, I have Google installed in a profile for it, everything else is clean without Google, everything works fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) So like, you create a sandboxes profile for Google and log into that in your car and use android auto, get to your destination and switch back? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Kinda but you have 3 profiles active at once: owner work private So google just lives in one and the others are clean. From a usage perspective it's seamless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) So like, you create a sandboxes profile for Google and log into that in your car and use android auto, get to your destination and switch back? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Kinda but you have 3 profiles active at once: owner work private So google just lives in one and the others are clean. From a usage perspective it's seamless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Kinda but you have 3 profiles active at once: owner work private So google just lives in one and the others are clean. From a usage perspective it's seamless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) 🤩 How long does it take to switch between profiles? Or am I still misunderstanding since you said they all are active at once? So like each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) each of those profiles are available at the same time, but are sandboxed from each other? Correct. For the three special profiles, they're all active at the same time, you can use them like you would any other app. They're just isolated from each other. Gos also has other user profiles, where you have to swipe down and swap users, those are more cumbersome, but more isolated. But for daily driving, you have three profiles you can use simultaneously, at the same time, no login, no log out, and they're isolated from each other For instance, you can have two versions of WhatsApp running at the same time, one in each profile, and they can't see each other, but you can swap between them like any other two apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Well damn, that's even better than I thought! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, I'm quite happy with it. Join us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago Imma do it. I've started exporting and backing up settings, I just need to find a free couple of hours to do it and then play with it. This weekend at the latest. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Getting a used one is cheaper AND you don´t give money directly to Google. Or wait a year or two for the other Graphene phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago any phone over 300 dollars CAD is expensive. i don't need 4K and all that other shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Getting a used one is cheaper AND you don´t give money directly to Google. Or wait a year or two for the other Graphene phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago They did go up a bit this year but if you set alerts on your preferred marketplace and be patient, you'll find one at a decent price. I started shopping pixels last November and pulled the trigger on my preferred model by first week of January. Worth the wait all the way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago any phone over 300 dollars CAD is expensive. i don't need 4K and all that other shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* I've been using it since the Pixel 3 days. Tap to pay doesn't work, and some people have reported banking apps not working, although my banking apps do work. Also, certain pixel-exclusive features like now playing don't work. And you are going to need to install play services or other Google components if you want stuff like notifications in various apps or text-to-speech and speech-to-text in the browser, etc. Aside from that, it's incredible. Works perfectly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fucking up, and I say that in the kindest way. You'll spend 2 days figuring out issues if you even have them. It also has one of the coolest installers of all time. Save what you need to and jump ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago no tap to pay and some banking apps dont work. but honestly, you should be ditching google stuff altogehter if your going that far of replacing stock android and only use FOSS apps you trust from f-droid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (30 children) The irony of having to buy a Google phone to get rid of Google services will never cease to amaze me. :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (11 children) Graphene is working with a different OEM, so, we may not need Google's devices to run GrapheneOS soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It... got rebranded into LineageOS? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] wilmo@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You can buy second hand phones and then Google doesn't get any more money. Easy solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Batteries are good now though. I buy almost all used tech where possible. No complaints. If you get a sufficiently new used phone, it's not physically possible for the battery to have undergone enough cycles to degrade noticably. Very good value early on I'd say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] scott@lem.free.as 9 points 1 year ago Unfortunately, Google manufacture the best-in-class hardware device when it comes to security features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won't send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can. Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don't have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can't crack open GrapheneOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn't installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google. But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) The real irony is paying Google what you'd pay for an iPhone 16 and getting iPhone 11 performance and they're spying on you and selling your personal information to who knows who. Okay but you wiped the phone and installed custom firmware that doesn't track you... but you still paid Google the price of current-gen iPhone and got a phone with the performance of one from 5 years ago. Google still won. The personal information is the point, that's the real gold mine, and they'll get it from enough people to not care about the less than 1% of Pixel owners flashing Graphene. For those users, they're happy to sell generations-old tech at a premium. And they call you a sucker behind your back. And then tell you Apple is the big corporate overlord you're running from and make it sound like Apple is the enemy. (I'm not saying they're not, but that's a convenient story among fandroids. And it may not even be accurate. Because iOS has no open source component though... we don't know.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, probably not. I'm just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don't. What I said was that because it's closed source, we don't actually know. We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don't know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their "Privacy. That's iPhone" campaign. They certainly wouldn't be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal. The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple's hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it's that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I'm not sure. I've also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway. Fortunately, Macs don't require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn't get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (11 children) Graphene is working with a different OEM, so, we may not need Google's devices to run GrapheneOS soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It... got rebranded into LineageOS? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago We know Google sells the data. That's their core business. They've never been shy about it either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago I guess we'll find out when they announce their mystery partner. I just hope it isn't HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1. Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don't think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thermogel@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It... got rebranded into LineageOS? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It... got rebranded into LineageOS? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wilmo@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You can buy second hand phones and then Google doesn't get any more money. Easy solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Batteries are good now though. I buy almost all used tech where possible. No complaints. If you get a sufficiently new used phone, it's not physically possible for the battery to have undergone enough cycles to degrade noticably. Very good value early on I'd say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Batteries are good now though. I buy almost all used tech where possible. No complaints. If you get a sufficiently new used phone, it's not physically possible for the battery to have undergone enough cycles to degrade noticably. Very good value early on I'd say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Batteries are good now though. I buy almost all used tech where possible. No complaints. If you get a sufficiently new used phone, it's not physically possible for the battery to have undergone enough cycles to degrade noticably. Very good value early on I'd say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago ive boughten used phones and had opposite experiences. the batteries were severely degraded permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scott@lem.free.as 9 points 1 year ago Unfortunately, Google manufacture the best-in-class hardware device when it comes to security features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won't send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can. Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don't have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can't crack open GrapheneOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn't installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google. But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won't send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can. Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don't have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can't crack open GrapheneOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn't installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google. But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs. You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole. Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) The real irony is paying Google what you'd pay for an iPhone 16 and getting iPhone 11 performance and they're spying on you and selling your personal information to who knows who. Okay but you wiped the phone and installed custom firmware that doesn't track you... but you still paid Google the price of current-gen iPhone and got a phone with the performance of one from 5 years ago. Google still won. The personal information is the point, that's the real gold mine, and they'll get it from enough people to not care about the less than 1% of Pixel owners flashing Graphene. For those users, they're happy to sell generations-old tech at a premium. And they call you a sucker behind your back. And then tell you Apple is the big corporate overlord you're running from and make it sound like Apple is the enemy. (I'm not saying they're not, but that's a convenient story among fandroids. And it may not even be accurate. Because iOS has no open source component though... we don't know.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, probably not. I'm just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don't. What I said was that because it's closed source, we don't actually know. We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don't know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their "Privacy. That's iPhone" campaign. They certainly wouldn't be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal. The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple's hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it's that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I'm not sure. I've also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway. Fortunately, Macs don't require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn't get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, probably not. I'm just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don't. What I said was that because it's closed source, we don't actually know. We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don't know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their "Privacy. That's iPhone" campaign. They certainly wouldn't be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal. The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, probably not. I'm just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don't. What I said was that because it's closed source, we don't actually know. We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don't know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their "Privacy. That's iPhone" campaign. They certainly wouldn't be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal. The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago i don't trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple's hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it's that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I'm not sure. I've also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway. Fortunately, Macs don't require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn't get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I'm not sure. I've also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway. Fortunately, Macs don't require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn't get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android. permalink fedilink source parent