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How Google Tracks and Scans Everything on Your Android Device (www.howtogeek.com)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Moreover GrapheneOS requires Google Play Services to use most apps, so you're not only using a Google device but also Google Play services! There are much better truly deGoogled alternatives around

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won't send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can.

    Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don't have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can't crack open GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    But you're saying it yourself, notifications won't work, banking apps won't work, and I know there are other examples like the Google location API, so probably maps apps, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many others

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn't installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google.

    But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So it is true, and not a lie, because as you say yourself "the average person probably needs those things mentioned" Quite a thing to call someone a liar and to then literally agree with them

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, that's the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs.

    You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it's just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn't a Graphene problem, it's a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn't lie, asshole.

    Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you're not gonna use push notifs and don't need Android.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google's monopolistic software

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