The device known as shoyu-tai (or soy-sauce snapper in Japanese) was invented in 1954 by Teruo Watanabe, the founder of Osaka-based company Asahi Sogyo, according to a report from Japan’s Radio Kansai.

It was then common for glass and ceramic containers to be used but the advent of cheap industrial plastics allowed the creation of a small polyethylene container in the shape of a fish, officially named the “Lunch Charm”.

The invention quickly spread around Japan and eventually worldwide, and it is estimated that billions have been produced.

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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (19 children)

What is the issue with this form compared to others?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    South Australia will be the first place in the world to ban them under a wider ban on single-use plastics that comes into force on 1 September.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    They aren't banning the packets tho.. I can see how the plastic pouches could be better for the environment than the polypropylene fish tho, but certainly not by much.

    Man, it sounds like the ultimate first-world problem, but how are they gonna get soy sauce with takeout sushi without single-use plastics? I imagine the people who get takeout sushi and the people who have a bottle of soy sauce in their fridge are largely different groups. Not to mention the people who get takeout sushi for lunch at work. This may degrade the takeout sushi experience for all of South Australia.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    We can make tiny glass bottles if the market demands it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These companies use plastic because of its weight and ease of manufacturing and I assume it's also cheaper than glass. The weight may seem a weird metric but when they are shipping billion of them every year it adds up.

    If they were forced to change to glass they would definitely increase the price to compensate.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Glass is only better when it is reused something like 5 times. Otherwise it is worse, as the energy needed to make it is just so high plus all the shipping.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    True, but at least glass breaks down into sand, and metal caps don't pollute, they are just unsightly. The plastic cap liners can be made of bioplastics. The energy aspect could be mitigated by mandating 100% renewables in production and transportation, maybe? I know it's not easy to transition to these, but we don't have many options.

    As I mentioned in a prior comment, there are companies making bioplastic containers, in commercial production now.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Glass is made essentially exclusively with natural gas as the fuel source and there is no easy way to transition to something else to directly use electricity at these scales, conditions and temperatures. Before transitioning such high hanging fruit, we first need to stop burning it to heat homes, which is really easy to replace with electricity.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I imagine the people who get takeout sushi and the people who have a bottle of soy sauce in their fridge are largely different groups.

    Tbh there's your answer, fix that. Buy some damn soy sauce, they sell it at the most basic stores.

    But that doesn't solve the issue for people eating it at a third location, like work, their car, or an unprepared friend's house, can't buy bottles of soy for literally everywhere you go "just in case" and such.

    Maybe we still need them for that, but we can also be mindful of our circumstances and prepare/choose appropriately. Would require people to change personally however, so keep waiting lol.

    Hell maybe we just make it common for them to sell little 4oz resealable glass bottles of kikkoman at the Chinese spot, then one can still be unprepared and still get the sauce there (though it'd be cheaper if they prepare next time), and whatever sauce isn't used is retainable. Still not perfect since those bottles have plastic tops, but it's something! Maybe make the caps out of hemp plastic for added bonus?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    If my wife wasn't soy intolerant I'd have a bottle of soy sauce in my fridge (her issues with soy mean I really only get east Asian food when going out) and if she liked fish I'd get takeout sushi sometimes. Though honestly if she liked fish and could eat soy sauce I'd've learned to make sushi by now, so maybe I'm not the default here

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The issue is that you didn’t read the article 😊

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A decent question. Especially if this ban allows the ripper pouch style single serve sauces.
    I have collected a tonne of the fish shaped bad boys at river clean ups, so maybe they're somehow worse. Tbh takeaway sushi could improve in a lot of ways to reduce single use plastics, so kinda funny that the cute fish copped it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    If it hasn’t already been broken down into microplastics yet and it’s floating around in its whole form, then other organisms that eat fish that size could think it is a fish and then eat it,” Wootton said.

    And:

    “Since they are quite a thick plastic, it does take quite a while for them to degrade.”

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