This sounds super cool. Crossposted to !automationgames@lemmy.zip to get it in front of more people

AI-hater here arriving late to the thread, who is specifically waiting out the market in a different job in a different industry I enjoy, because of the tech industry making you use AI to do the things I would have enjoyed doing myself. Appreciate the good advice, especially since your perspective is the total opposite of mine so I can probably trust it's grounded, not just my confirmation bias wanting to see "AI bad" in as many places as possible.

I’ve realized it’s something I’ve been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified

I do try to deal with seeing this kind of comment by also considering how annoying and disappointing it is seeing things you liked get worse. !deshittification@thebrainbin.org (not my community) for a bit more positivity, for "here's stuff you can actually do to change things for the better, instead of just complaining on the internet". I figure it is better to channel that rage productively in a way that helps me leave for better alternatives, instead of in a way that does not make life better in any way besides relieving the emotion. Maybe someone else's if my angry comment is the tipping point for a reader to leave the enshittified product, but…

But yeah. I both feel the outrage, and feel like expressing it without pointing to alternatives is often only giving others more fuel to doomscroll with. (And yes, I also unfortunately sometimes post angrily without adding anything constructive! Just check my comment history…) I thank you for your thoughtful reply and totally get where you are coming from. My comment probably comes across way more castigating towards you than I want it to be—I really appreciate your reaction.

I graduated college and my student license for JetBrains expired. So I switched to VSCodium (free). I'm very glad to hear that I am not missing out because of the price-motivated switch I made. Of course, I don't actually benefit in any way but psychologically from hearing the thing I gave up isn't worth it anymore, sour grapes from an LLM-hater, but…

Also, nice reminder to unsub from the community, I don't use JetBrains anymore and probably should not be occupying the community. Just went and did that, especially given how I would find people commenting "I hate X" in a fan community for X (probably drive-bys from All or Local) annoying. Don't want to be part of the behavior I don't like!

Hey! I'm a person who specifically wants to hear that LLMs are always flaming garbage. Thanks for the explanation. Intent and tone is hard online. Your original comment, which probably read as a joke and firmly tongue-in-cheek to you, read as a frustrated and resentful snarky one-liner zinger to me until I got this explanation that you didn't mean it that way. Of course, I'm carrying my own biases (anti-LLM, frustration with harshness and generalizations and insults that I perceive to be happening more frequently on the Fediverse than back on Reddit or in real life).

I wonder if there are more jokesters than actual harsh people and I'm just misinterpreting it. (I have been stepping back from the Fediverse because of how many generalizations and frustrated, resentful, snarky comments I've seen; and how many LLM discourse posts I see on programming.dev that I, who have that as a trigger topic, end up rabbitholing down instead of doing something more useful. Me even clicking and commenting on this post is an example of the latter, I fear.)

Thanks again for clarifying your intent and going de-escalation mode, I think we need way more of that energy.

getting real disheartened by all the snark on lemmy from anyone of any opinion ☹️ why is it always like this ☹️

In the past all you had was human-made so this distinction wasn't even a thing.

I'm just very bitter that people will probably be made to use AI. Coding, as it was done before the advent of LLMs, was fun to me. Being a prompt engineer isn't. I hope and pray AI isn't here to stay, but if it is, what I thought would be a career full of doing something I enjoy, is just going to be a boring slog. (I currently took a different job outside of tech over this—I graduated with a CS degree as LLM usage was exploding and getting forced on everyone.) Years wasted prepping for a career I'll never do, but at least nobody can force me to use LLMs in hobby projects.

But even if I do not code for work, I dread every non-manual job turning into one where I am expected to use generative AI and criticized and quickly fired if I don't. I liked so many aspects of almost any type of work, but I really do not like generative AI, trusting this black box based off of statistical patterns instead of a model of the real world, and if it enters every type of non-manual labor I'll have a shit sandwich to eat at any job I do unless I, delicate little woman who was raised to think I'd be able to have a white collar office job and would never have to earn money with muscles and the literal sweat of my brow, decide to start doing hard manual labor.

And then even if I wiggle out of it somehow as a white collar worker or find I take well to manual labor, I cannot guarantee my doctor didn't just ChatGPT my symptoms, the bridge I drive over wasn't glued together with nondeterministic predictions from generative AI instead of actual simulations based on fact…

Extremely unhappy to start life with "you're good at do many things, you'll do great!" only to get the rug pulled right when I start applying with "none of this matters when AI can do it much faster" so quick with little adjustment time. And with "I know I'll enjoy working, most seem interesting, and I have diverse skills in case something happens to one industry, how lucky am I" to dreading when it starts to become the daily AI-prompting slog and I have the "daily grind" "ugh when does it end" everyone else does, or when I'm just totally cut out entirely unless I am willing to work my body instead of my brain. And so I have a vested interest in AI not becoming normalized or endorsed or approved by people lots of others listen to like Linus Torvalds. Because it is happening, all I have is sadness and anxiety for when work starts being prompt engineering.

Absolutely would have moved the needle towards Linux for 12-year-old me. (Already on Linux now.)

nah, just post there a lot as a spite move against all the doom articles in a way that is productive instead of putting others down

Eh. I have half a foot in terminally-onlineland and half a foot in normie-land and I don't use Facebook. One friend moving off Instagram got me to pull the trigger to do the same. It's possible, and showing people you can and some steps can help make it less intimidating.

wonder if you have partnered up with the various !degoogle communities like !degoogle@discuss.tchncs.de

would be welcome to promote over at !deshittification@thebrainbin.org

One interesting thought I’ve had is actually that if we strip this signal to websites/apps and do not report an age range at all, but the vast majority of users DO, that actually gives us a more unique and trackable browser fingerprint.

As someone who is not a fan of adding the age field I'm curious what people think of this.