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[–] 127 points 4 months ago (3 children)

No shit dumbfucks... every sane person in the world has been saying this since probably around the Reagan administration... and the warning ALL THIS BULLSHIT WOULD HAPPEN after the pedophiles first disaster...

You broke it, you fix it.

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  • [–] 59 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And they're still just looking to blame trump, not the party. Pretending that he changed the party. Not that he changed for the party. Which makes this even more of an insulting stand to take now

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Yes, this. The Republicans created Faux News and hate radio and the various websites spinning the same hate, and then along came Donvict, about 20 years later after the start of Faux News, and he is the almost literal manifestation of all that work.

    He sounds exactly like Faux News. He rules like the average Faux News viewer would want a President to rule. Hell, he has put people from Faux News on his cabinet.

    But when Republicans and conservatives (current, as well as former) want to pretend as if Donvict came along and ruined everything and changed the party and they had no idea how any of this happened, and Donvict is No True Conservative?

    BULL FUCKING SHIT.

    Faux News == Republican Party == conservative == Trump.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    Like with so much of the American reactionary right, the MTG line is forever "They weren't conservative enough".

    And Dems will go chasing the MTG vote to the tune of a billion dollars in ad buys during the next election cycle, while whining that leftists never vote for them.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    How is it that the most extreme mouth piece changed their tune, but the middle chucklefucks didn't?

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's because Greene actually drank the kool-aid, and has now found out what's in it, whereas most of the others only pretend to like it.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I think those who dont truly believe but follow anyway are more vile than those who were duped

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well, there are also those who truly believe and like the Kool-Aid, the really committed white supremacists such as Stephen Miller and Elon Musk. They probably win the evilness contest.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    A big part of why the republican party has been so successful politically is their unwavering unconditional loyalty to the party. They can make waves politically with a smaller amount of people as long as they stay united. It's basically mostly just political strategy. It's also why this is a huge fucking deal. We can use this to start putting more pressure on the republican party and making that strategy less viable.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Some people think jumping ship in frigid waters will save them somehow, when there's no search and rescue looking for them... while other's are wise to just go down with the ship anyway... at least they feel like they're not alone.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    You run to the right to wing the primary and waddle back to the center when you've got control. Because the center is where all the money's at. The fringe is just people spun up hard enough to show up at convensions, scream at people during board meetings, and then stomp through oppressive heat and knock doors until nightfall for weeks at a time to scream "They're destroying America!" at anyone who answers the door.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    She still touts ivermectin as a treatment for various ailments, so let's not get too carried away with the idea that she has seen the light.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    So much this. Her and Tucker are still wildly dangerous in their beliefs. Just because they cannot get along with Donvict and the way the conservatives have tied themselves so closely to the terrorism of Israel's doesn't mean they are not very, very bad for this country.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    You broke it, you fix it.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago

    Maybe her and Tucker can form a new party and split the conservative vote and send all of them into the wilderness for decades.

    They are all so fucking crazy. It's not at all surprising they have a difference of opinion over doctrinal issues. First of all, most of the shit the cons say they care about, they do not really care about: small government, freedom, liberty, the Constitution, non-interventionism, free markets, etc...what really motivates much of the conservative "movement" is about racism.

    So when someone like Donvict steps out of line on something like tariffs and attacking Iran, it's not surprising some peel off, while others stay, because as long as the important kernel of conservatism is there - which is the racism (xtian nationalism) - many will stay. But Tucker and MTG also have the important kernel of xtian nationalism, too....so what is a conservative to do, LOL?

    Given their RWA (right wing authoritarian) character flaws, most RWAs will tend to line up behind someone deemed to be a "strong leader", so that's the dangerous thing.

    But if there are two prominent right wing conservative parties (The Republican Party, and The Teabagger 2.0 Party under Tucker and Marge) with two cult of personalities leading them, hopefully they'd split all the RWAs for a while.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Another redcoat slipping into a blue sweater.

    Golly, I remember a time when she was flinging poo at a democrat president giving a speech.

    So... is putin still writing her lines?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's not either America first or last, it really is America alone.
    Just watch the G7 pictures, it's very clear that nobody really want to talk to Trump.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Still a despicable human being

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why is this news? She’s not even a representative anymore

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (35 children)

    She helped create the problem, she can fuck herself.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (33 children)

    Nah I'm all for the converts. They're very useful in persuading others. It's a wasted opportunity to just burn them and in essence tell anyone that they will be punished for changing their minds.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I agree. Splitting the GOP into Nazis and “I just want to fuck over brown people” is actually going to be great for them not being able to get a vote majority in our broken electoral system.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Also sometimes they switch completely, personally if someone wants to improve, if only a little I try to encourage it. If immediately they're met with hostility for improving then the only sensible direction for them to go is back. At the end of the day and as you pointed out in your comment, it's a numbers game. You can try to divide and conquer and also recruit. Defectors / converts are extremely useful at convincing more to convert which definitely won't happen if at the front door we're telling them to fuck off and suck a bag of dicks. So if people go against their poor judgements I'm all for it, one step closer to waking up, switching sides and adding to the numbers.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck yeah, you're on a goddamn roll. The best way to fight your enemies is to turn them into friends. The best way to fight racists is to get them to no longer be racist. Best way to fight nazis is to get them to not be a nazi. Etc. If you don't give them any opportunity to reform, then why the fuck would you expect them to change??? Normalize the fuck out of the above attitude.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ohhhhhhhmygod, this is such a very important point that gets so lost on the terminally online crowd. The political opportunity of such a high profile member of a major party leaving said party is insane. You would have to be all the way outside your mind to not take the opportunity to poke the cracks forming in the two party system. MTG bad, yep, not disagreeing, but it would be just straight stupid to not pick this up as a way to get more conservatives to start questioning the republican party and in turn the two party system as a whole.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It would be stupid, a lot of people are . . .well maybe not fully stupid but deeply blinded by their emotions. Unfortunately politics has evolved into like religion2.0, infidels are to be slaughtered, and anyone who doubts anything whatsoever is to be crucified. I remember when it wasn't like this, when there wasn't this intense pressure about switching parties. Of course it always existed to some degree, but from what I've seen and what I know it's been ramping up the past decade or two.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We elected a black man and it broke the brain of every conservative in America. That's why it's seemed to ramp up over the last two decades.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Definitely part of it but I think it's deeper than that. Let me put on my paranoid hat real quick. A ramp up of division is useful to the rich and powerful, particularly if it turns into a culture war, which of course it has.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But she’s not a convert. She continued voting with her party, but is leaving office. Her actions and rebranding are in order to transition to the talk show circuit. If offered the more money elsewhere, she will become a malignant force once again.

    She’s an opportunist, not reformed. An opportunist with a microphone and a pension.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    If you can't get a convert you can get someone who will create division. Not as good, but still worthwhile. Individuals play their parts and then leave, the truth is nearly everyone is playing to their own self interest so that should always be expected. Acts of wellbeing or charity typically come when someone is already fed and taken care of. I can't say anything about what will be but what is there now is still useful. Also I am speaking somewhat about her case and more so generally.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, I'm for converts, but not MTG. You don't get to come back from "Jewish space lasers started the forest fires". Every day people, sure. But she was an instrumental part of putting the bitch in office a second time. She doesn't get a pass now that she's conveniently "reformed" after leaving her position of power.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Between her and Carlson, they're setting the stage for a party split. It's yet to be seen which faction will contain the most lunatics.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I hope they form another party - let's call it the Teabagger Party.

    The Teabagger Party can be like the Reform Party, the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party and draw away votes from the Republicans. In this case, they might have a bit more star power than some of those other crank parties and help split the vote of Republicans enough to radically weaken their stranglehold on the country I love.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Must be new to this game, every side has kooks and crazies, they're useful. Of course the right has swung pretty hard into that camp lately. Really driving their christo-facist state, but it backfired when they ditched their isolationist stance and of course blatantly disregarded the poor in their camp. We should keep accurate receipts about the affects of the Big Beautiful Bill to drive it home that their party is the anti-middle class party, the bourgeoisie party. Shit would be wide open to whoever can bring down the cost of living.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is more infighting than conversion.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah but generally any movement away I encourage. Maybe they don't fully switch parties but still aids almost as well. Immediately reacting to any change of heart with hostility might decrease the division or prevent people from fully switching. I say give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

    Nah. There are certain people that dont get a pass. I wouldnt piss on her if she was on fire and she gets no points for being the same self-serving rat she's always been.

    Anyone that followers her away from this administration will likely follow her down whatever terrible thing she backs next.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Not to say I dislike justice but I'm a hippie, the one people one love, unconditional love, hope, and forgiveness as best I can manage type. I get where you're coming from, I wasn't always this way, used to be a pretty angry fellow. For me I'm more so sad to see minds and hearts that are so deep into ignorance that they cause needless and avoidable suffering to themselves and others. I like to see minds become aware because they stop causing needless and avoidable suffering. Of course that process of becoming aware can be quite hellish at times, which is why most don't bother. To me if it can be managed it's the ultimate punishment because on the other side you get a person who wants to decrease needless and avoidable suffering.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I also wouldnt really want to help put her out if she was on fire. But if she grabs a fire extinguisher and starts helping put out the raging world ending fire... I won't tell her to stop or push her away until it is out.

    At least we know what she is doing for now

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The thing is that what she is doing is holding up a prop fire extinguisher, to get a photo in the news. She still thinks and wants the same awful things.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah? What has she been wanting?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Do you remember who she was and the causes she championed during her stint in office? That, minus trump or GOP. She remains the jewish space lasers lady.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Oh I was just asking cause you seemed like you had something more recent.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Just that nothing changed save that Trump stopped liking her, and as soon as that happened she suddenly had this huge problem with the party.

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    I have a thought for how much a trust any politician.
    And its that if they hear the government is full of corruption and back alley deals of no work or hard work and is excited about joining.

    Well then they probably arent going to do much to actually make it better for me, compared to what they are thinking about for themself.

    But hey, eventually got to do something about it and even if that means finding someone who doesnt want to burn alive even if it is selfish cause at least they might help.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    How many times has she "quit" at this point?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Now watch in amazement as Schumer surely gears up to court the "disillusioned Carlsons and Greenes" of America, instead of focussing on the left base of the party. Maybe Kamala tries going on tour with Greene next.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The Dems will choose her as their candidate before letting any of the Squad get close to power.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The leopards send their compliments to the chef.

    Marge is an awful creature but at least she stuck to what she said she believed in.

    I actually do think it's kind of worse when someone is only pretending to support something for profit. You can't really convince them otherwise because it's not a rationale or moral posture that brought them here; they have already weighed how they would feel going with something they didn't support and decided to roll with it as long as they got paid handsomely.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Marge is an awful creature but at least she stuck to what she said she believed in.

    Marge is an opportunistic rat, who is abandoning the sinking ship. She is just positioning herself for the next grift,

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Kinda funny how this guy was a narcissistic scammer his entire life and people were like "I trust him".

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    All the rats are fleeing the sinking ship

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Those pieces of shit are just fishing for relevance and influence.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    So, back to picking lice out of her fur and flinging feces at the other monkeys?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    IMO she is a MAGA true believer. And Trump and the GOP keep doing things that do not MAGA. She is still terrible just realising that Trump isn't actually about MAGA.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yes they still fully believe in the fucked up ideology of the same party. The Republican party has been a fucked up mess at least since Reagan, but these fucks are the people that created the tea party mess that led us here. These are the founders, if you will.

    The only reason they're leaving is because they're pissed that now they too have to suffer the results. They were supposed to be on top and we'll they're not.

    Don't for a second believe that these fuckwads have any interest in actual democracy and good for all. They are fascists, they just want to be on the other side of the stick again

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Turns out they were Libertarians all along!

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    MTG for President! Everybody! C'mon! Let me hear you!

    Oh hold on a second. MTG for RBF!

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    yay. more new democrats.

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