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[–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah the IPO was a bag holding event. Use hype to entrap a bunch of smaller investors into holding the bag so the biggest investors can pull out.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Capitalism working as designed. Assets trickle up from the middle class to the very rich.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago
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    It was the third straight trading day of declines for a company that just 10 days ago orchestrated the largest IPO ever.

    At Monday’s closing price of $154.60, average investors who bought SpaceX shares on the open market after its debut have now seen most of their gains disappear, market data shows.

    The company itself — and holders of its previously privately held shares — made more than $85 billion in the initial public offering.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    As always the suckers getting fleeced.

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    [–] 143 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    $154.60 is still massively inflated from what the actual value should be.

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    Haha that's still to much. The value is based on XAI hype, and XAI is really next to worthless. They are doing everything after everybody else did it, and then they do it worse. It's so bad they have no customers, and instead sell their server capacity to other AI companies. And the value of that will diminish fast, as better and cheaper hardware is developed.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Most of spacex is privately owned, there is much more demand than real supply of the stock so it's overvalued. As more former SpaceX employees current private investors and short term investors sell the price will slowly go down.

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  • [–] 93 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Keep tumbling. Then fold Tesla and all his stupid other companies into it and bankrupt it all.

    Fuck musk and anyone that supports this filthy grifting pile of limp dicked shit that resembles a human being.

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  • [–] 62 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh... who could've possibly seen that coming?!

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago

    People bought a space stock and found out it was just so Elon could pay off the loans he took out to buy Twitter

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, wasn't this the plan all along? Makia bunch of theoretical money off the IPO and just fuck you if you were foolish enough to waste your money buying in?

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The plan was to get retail investors (idiots) to pay loans and the original investors with cold hard cash.

    Now the retail (idiots) investors own stock in a business that makes no money and is burning piles of money monthly.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No way man, they're gonna make space datacenters...

    You know, the things famously resource intensive massive but in space. They can't lose.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    Rug pull for the Elon buddies

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  • [–] 79 points 4 months ago

    Lol, lmao even

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    lmao. literally everyone that explicitly bought this stock to ride the wave deserves this. everyone who’s 401k os tethered to this stock doesn’t.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Shoulda shorted it instead

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Who could have seen that coming?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    It's a GOOD thing Elon Musk didn't FORCE everyone in the US to INVEST their Retirement Savings into this TUMBLE!

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Put options have been printing nicely.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, Tesla has a ridiculous P/E ratio, but seems to make some money (even if propped up by government policy here to keep competitors at bay and so on). If you look up SpaceX P/E ratio, you will get a good lolz:

    https://www.financecharts.com/stocks/SPCX/value/pe-ratio

    The pe ratio for Space Exploration Technologies (SPCX) stock is -560.61 as of Thursday, June 18 2026. A negative value means this company has been losing money. The pe ratio is not a useful metric when the company is not profitable. The p/e ratio is calculated by taking the latest closing price and dividing it by the diluted eps for the past 12 months.

    People are talking about SpaceX buying Tesla? Anyone reminded of AOL buying Time Warner?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Anyone reminded of AOL buying Time Warner?

    I remember xAI merging with Twitter. Does that count?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/aol-x-time-warner-worst-merger-business-history-parth-zala-seyhf

    AOL was treated like a superstar during the dot-com boom with almost $8 billion in revenue, $2 billion in operating profit, and a $200 billion valuation built mostly on hype and dial-up subscriptions.

    Time Warner, on the other hand, was the real giant - more than three times the revenue, strong cash flows, CNN, HBO, Warner Bros., and decades of tangible media assets.

    And yet… AOL used its inflated stock to buy Time Warner. The stronger, more profitable company ended up with just 45% of the combined entity, while AOL (with barely any hard assets) took control.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    I mean really, why bother learning from history, it's not that deep bro.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    It was a grift? gasp

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago*

    https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/spcx-etfs-index-funds-buy-050100941.html

    The iShares Russell 1000 ETF (IWB) and Invesco QQQ Trust (QQQ) are expected to hold SPCX starting on June 29 and July 7, respectively.

    Well, probably good news for people who own those index funds, since they won't ride SPCX down, at least to some extent. Their worst case scenario would have been the peak holding until they bought in.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Anyone know what the deal is with the media saying his stock is somehow tied to 401Ks?

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It used to be that new stocks with a high enough value had to wait several months to a year before they could be included into index funds (index funds are collections of stocks that try to mirror the performance of certain markets). Recent rule changes removed that waiting period so some (maybe even most, though not all) index funds bought SpaceX, automatically, within days of it coming on the market because that's just how they work. So if SpaceX tanks, many retirement plans will take a hit.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago
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    That's OK people buying stock in a near worthless company should have expected this.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    its not near worthless but that stock setup is wack.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    More than 90% of the value is because of AI, and XAI is shit. The XAI is so shit it will probably drag down the real value SpeceX has from rocket government contracts and Starlink.
    So yes it is near worthless, and throwing 60 billion from the IPO out on Cursor, means most of the 80 billion they got is gone too.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Oh no, how terrible for them.
    I super duperydo hope the people that supported the Nazi trillionaire Elon Skum get their money back!!!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The overwhelming majority of individuals in the US with 401ks were forced to buy SpaceX stocks through target date funds, mutual funds, and indexes, because 8 different funds have >10% of their entire stock as SpaceX, and 4 of those have >20% of their stock as SpaceX. This was all a fucking grift and Americans who have done what they were supposed to by saving will pay the price. Fuck Elon Musk sideways, I will pop a bottle of champange when he dies and celebrate it as a yearly holiday.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    this is what scares me. those funds have to have a clause to not buy anything that does not use a traditional stock setup of voting common stock and at most the premium stock that can't vote although im not sure preferd stock should have ever been a thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    There’s a reason they say not to put all your eggs in one basket. space x, twitter and xai are a giant basket now. Add tesla in there and watch the popcorn futures.

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    The US government couldn't do what they did. Nationalization of it wouldn't continue the (at least pre xai) trajectory. There might be more ways to exert control / influence though.

    SLS has been a mess.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The US government couldn’t do what they did.

    No?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The government is too risk adverse to take the massive long shots that the private companies can take, and would have to answer to their constituents on all the failures.

    NASA would never try to make something like Starship. The world didn't even think you could make a properly re-usable first stage rocket.

    They would inherit the existing technology, and then slowly flatline back to their current state of operation.

    Edit: Just to further make the point - SpaceX isn't just trying to make a reusable rocket with starship, they're already building a massive production line under the assumption it's going to work. They want to make up to a 1000 of these a year and are building towards that already. Go try and pitch that to congress for funding.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, as soon as Vanguard had to buy this shit it started crashing. It will probably go up by the time QQQ buys in.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Wow. I expected the hype to falter and the price to collapse, but even I didn't expect it to happen this quickly. I thought it would take another few months at least.

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  • Lol, I bought myself some puts and shorts on spacex

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I knew I should’ve fucking shorted it

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Can you short an IPO? You're prohibited from selling for the first month or so, isn't it?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    You could have shorted it with options the Tuesday after the IPO.

    Ive wanted to do it on many IPOs after the the first spike, which in this case was when they hit 215+, as they all follow this pattern but im never confident enough to do it since the market is whack.

    But id have made money every time I wanted to so far if I did.

    Edit: it'll almost certainly go down more as the insider lockout period ends as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Oh no, how terrible!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Someone I know in private wealth management told me she was very busy last week trying to find wealthy people whose funds she manages who would be looking to participate with spacex. I wonder if lack of interest amongst the wealthy class is related to this drop since IPO.

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    It's honestly too early to say SpaceX will fail. I hope it does poorly enough that they remove Elon, but realistically that will never happen.

    When he offered to buy Twitter for a massive amount everyone thought he was an idiot who was wasting his money, and we all know how that turned out. Even in spite of the AI bullshit SpaceX is hiding, I'd say there is a chance they fluke through it and end up massively positive.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Don't panic ,its fine

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Honestly, if it was just SpaceX + Starlink as the IPO, I might be interested in picking some up. A healthy business is good business, especially when it is useful to society.

    Grok is a poison pill, because it is a bad AI that isn't in a healthy place. Quite bluntly, Chinese offerings are superior to their American counterparts, because they aren't poisoned by bad economics and are very performant on local hardware. On top of that, the IPO is suspect because it circumvented the rules that were intended to protect investors from bad outcomes.

    All in all, this thing stinks like hell, and Musk is a fish's head.

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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    No!? What?? Who could have predicted this!!?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Classic Pump and Dump.

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