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[–] 19 points 4 months ago

I haven't used an MS media player in probably 20 years.

Media Player Classic, VLC, etc, have been far better for a long time.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago
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    Software keeps getting heavier while doing the same jobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago
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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Nothing else exists besides VLC imo.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In my case this is literally true, because the IoT editions of Windows don't even come with a bundled media player (nor a bundled photo viewer other than classic Paint, for what it's worth).

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    'classic' wmp can be 'enabled' on iot under optional windows features.

    the old photo viewer is also still in the code but has to be enabled with a few registry entries.

    but vlc and irfanview will support more formats.

    i do still kinda like wmp, though, for mp3 and audio cd. its crossfade (audio or video playlist) is also the only thing i've found that keeps my tv from detecting 'no audio' and shutting down when i have manually blanked its screen (for audio only).

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Question: how does VLC get away with playing these proprietary codecs without compensating the owners of them?

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    VLC relies on open source media decoding libraries and projects. Thanks to the mechanisms and math behind many video/audio encoding schemes being public knowledge due to whitepapers on the topics in question being available and so forth, these can be reverse engineered by dedicated nerds who are way better at this sort of thing than me. As long as you're not explicitly circumventing DRM there's nothing the owners of proprietary codecs can do to anyone making a compatible decoding library in a clean room fashion, especially as mentioned elsewhere nobody is charging any money in the process. You're licensing the code, not the method.

    I imagine this is at least partially why the Jean-Baptiste Kempf is so adamantly against selling, monetizing, or allowing the VLC project to be bought out in any way whatsoever.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Could you imagine how much it would suck if VLC got bought out by corporate privateers?

    Like the guy's been putting a lot of work in for a long time, so I couldn't exactly blame him for it, but we would need a fork immediately because otherwise that would just be too sad for words.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    mpv exists so if vlc dies there's just another reason to use linux.

    Also dude has been approached and offered millions just for ad placement. I don't think he'll sell even if he's dying or homeless. It's a Terry Davis level of software development dedication at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I think if it was bought it would be simply discontinued to force people to use their existing media player.

    Also despite what people on tech forums think, probably 95% of people don't even know what VLC or 7zip are and have never even heard of it. Of that 5% that have heard of it, maybe half use it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Does Microsoft not have anyone capable of reverse engineering these drivers too? Isn’t it in their best interest to also broaden compatibility?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Probably, if they wanted to. The historical writing is on the wall that they don't want to, though, as part of whatever their business strategy is. Fear of legal complications due to overtly being a for-profit commercial enterprise might also have something to do with it.

    Microsoft is already quite infamous for e.g. going so far as to license third party .zip decompressing code to build into Windows Explorer rather than develop their own, code which apparently nobody in Redmond could be bothered to understand and thus to this very day the .zip archive handling capabilities of Explorer remain frozen and time from the XP era and so rinky-dink that they pale in comparison to commandline tools from the '90s. That's let alone compared to something like 7-Zip.

    This also raises the issue of having to maintain said code over subsequent releases and continually update it to support evolving standards, etc., which not only isn't free but presents no obvious mechanism for extracting any revenue from anybody to offset that cost. The current plan of simply outsourcing the entire problem to its rightsholders and passing the licensing cost directly to the consumer allows Microsoft to handily wash their hands of the entire affair, enabling them to devote more resources to trying to shoehorn Copilot AI into the character map or the registry editor, or whatever the fuck.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    What those drivers do is patented in the US. See MPEG licensing. VLC is based in the EU which does not have a mechanism for software patents that do not solve a physical problem (moving bits around isn't patentable there) so they can avoid issues. Microsoft, Corel, and Nero would not be able to do that, they have assets in the US, even if it would only be a bank account.

    I would not be surprised if codec licensing would not allow shipping with old and open codecs like MJPEG, Theora and AV1 with an addon for the proprietary codecs.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    You're licensing the code, not the method.

    I don't think this is true or ffmpeg wouldn't keep the proprietary codecs in a separate branch with no binary download. If you want a compiled ffmpeg binary with mp3, you need to download it from a 3rd party.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    ffmpeg binaries from pretty much anyone should have libmp3lame baked-in. the format was 'freed' from the last patent in 2017.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's good to know that it's been updated but the reason it wasn't in the default binaries until the patent expired was because "it's free" isn't a defense from being sued by a patent holder.

    Vlc including patented codecs is getting away with it despite the sword hanging over the project. Ffmpeg prefers to be safe because many free OpenSource projects have been shut down by patent holders.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    French law and European law don't have the concept of software patents, so there's no basis to sue VLC.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    do they have the concept of intangible assets?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Something only becomes an intellectual property (intangible) asset if there is a law that says that said specific kind of thing can be intellectual property - the whole domain is an entirely artificial creation and there is no such thing as natural intellectual property.

    So whilst French and EU do have the concept of intangible assets, it's irrelevant here because software patents aren't intellectual property according that those laws and hence are not "assets" and are thus not covered by such laws.

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  • [–] 51 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why wouldn't you just use VLC?

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    Good thing RAM is cheap and abundant, right?

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Windows Media Player CodecPass Ultimate Series X 360 Enshittified™ Edition with Copilot AI

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I do continually find it baffling that companies repeatedly replace existing products with something worse

    I literally can't think of one time some service or software was retired in lieu of a like for like* replacement and it wasn't actually worse for a very long time.

    I'm actually struggling to think of any example actually

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You could maybe make an argument for Counter Strike or Team Fortress or something like that… maybe.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    aren't current iterations of both basically 'live service games' now, with microtransactions driving their continued existence?

    they are not the same games as the hl mods i started playing way before steam came along.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It's worse for the end user, but better for shareholders.

    The best software in many categories is open source and it's astonishing how few people use it. I mainly blame governments in the 1990s and early 00s for embedding Microsoft into their own systems, administrations and most of all: schools. We could be living in a much nicer world right now.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Omg they’re trying to destroy Microsoft from the inside.

    They’re the good guys everyone, it’s an inside job! ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I use Media Player Classic Home Theater. It is free, and is still maintained.

    CLSID2 - MPC: HC

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Laughs in Linux

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Ehmmmm.... Vlc?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    malware infested 'codec packs' about to make a comeback.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Everyone saying "why not use VLC?" Because I have never liked its interface. MPC BE though... That is my jam.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Windows is the new Winrar.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    WinRAR said it had a 40 day trial, but it actually never expired and you could continue using it forever for free. You never had to pay.

    Which is why we have all the WinRAR memes.

    Due to this, it was actually pretty goated, and remembered fondly by many.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I honestly would buy a $300 copy of Windows Enterprise, provided it didn't have adware and other invasive things. Unfortunately, the last time I bought a premium Windows was back when Windows 7 Ultimate roamed the world.

    These days, I just pirate a copy of Enterprise via RUFUS, and use ShutUp10 to kill whatever nastiness that Microsoft is up to. That sucks. I want to just buy a perfect Windows and get on with my day.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It now uses under 400mb memory.

    Licensed codecs aren’t free, which isn’t new.

    This isn’t significant.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah did it ever natively play h265? You’ve always had to pay the $2 for it, had an OEM computer that they paid for it, or gotten it from something else. It was the exact same in windows 10.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You didn't have to pay if the GPU came with a hardware decoder. But the HEVC patent owners have been infighting over royalties. So some hardware isn't shipping with the codec anymore or have it disabled.

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    [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Is it a native app or a web-based app?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    The only “native” it probably is, is React Native like their Start Menu. A completely bloated mess as compared to pure C(++).

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Or rust. I dont like rust (personal opinion) but for this id even suggest rust and it would still be 504027274884381 times better..

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