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[–] 96 points 4 months ago (13 children)

This seems like the sort of idea that on the surface sounds really innovative and “outside the box” but will sink like a stone when put into action

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  • [–] 112 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Data centers in space, data centers on ships... it's likely just an attempt to avoid laws and oversight.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And just like all the libertarian attempts to escape the horrors of being taxed and regulated by taking to the sea this too will fail catastrophically

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Or just a way for someone that owns a rocket company to get a trillion dollars. Maybe someone making ships can get a cool $100B from suckers investors.

    In the dot com bubble it was a running joke where someone would take any business idea and and add "on the internet" onto it. "We'll sell dogfood... on the internet!" Boom! A billion dollars in VC money.

    So now it's take anything and add "using AI" to it. This is even better, it's not just "using AI" it's "and put a bunch of AI chips on it."

    "We build ships." Yawn. "We build ships and put a bunch of AI chips on it" Ok, here's your $100 Billion!

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    will sink like a stone

    Microsoft already tested underwater data centres ages ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Natick

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That makes a lot more sense to me, keeping something on the bottom of the ocean is much easier that keeping something floating on it

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Connection will suck. Imagine this thing and its delicate hardware hit by 10m high waves all the time.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Makes infinitely more sense than in space.

    Power, maintainence, and cooling all seem easier

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    "Why bring the water to data centers if we can bring the data centers to water?"

    -- some dumbass exec

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You know what to do, killer orcas

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Pirates are gonna have an awesome day. I will buy all the stuff they can steal from it.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Is this the sign of the upcoming pirate age?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    Pirates of the Caribbean

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    What a beautiful coincidence.

    I am building ethically sourced, renewable, solar powered torpedoes, and I will not be seeking regulatory approval.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    because the ocean warming and inevitable collapse of the gulf stream wasnt happening fast enough, apparently.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    And less tax and worker protection laws in international waters.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Data centers arent big on the job creation front to begin with. Once they are built its basically a security guy for show, and a tech that flies in once a fortnight to deal with the odd, occasional issue.

    a floating datacenter would probably have even less jobs, since they probably wont need the security guard to keep the punk kids away anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, however the ship itself will need maintenance and operators, and can be flagged in whatever country of convenience that offers the best ability to pay the least. No property taxes, far fewer environmental rules, free water, etc.

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  • [+] 27 points 4 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They're so desperate they're putting it in the worst places. I've seen it replace the normal search bar on one website, and on another you would just randomly get an AI answer instead of regular search results about half the time.

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  • [+] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    It's slightly less stupid than data centers in space I suppose. But I still find it pretty weird.

    You will have to be tethered to land anyway. Properly high bandwidth networking as you would usually see to connect a data center (on the order of a dozen terabits per second) only exists through fiber optic cables. I'm sure of this point, because optical networking is my day-job, though we only run 400 Gbit/s links on the fastest edges since we're a small national network.

    As for power, well there are 80 MW ship engines (e.g. Wärtsilä-Sulzer RT-flex96C, which has even been built in Korea under license before), so it's not impossible I suppose. But if you are tethered, then the country you're tethered to will probably forbid you from burning bunker fuel for 80 MW on its coast. At which point you'd be reduced to running clean diesel or something. That I expect would make the power more costly than just tethering to an electric grid

    So now we have a big barge rather than a ship. What do you really save then? I guess the price of the land? And you gain access to copious amounts of saltwater, so you can do closed loop cooling with freshwater, and do the secondary heat exchange to the ocean. But you could do that by building on the coast too. Okay I guess you might gain tsunami security over a coastal building.

    If this is a real proposal why don't they tell us the material advantages they expect, rather than making us guess?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Heating up random parts of the ocean, can only good happen!

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The amount of heat is going to be negligible for the ocean, especially compared to a permanent structure pumping heat into the ground or a neighborhood. I'm more worried about how they're powering the things. Probably some fossil fuel.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Ironic, considering AI is built on piracy

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Poseidon plz 🥺

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    Has claimed that it is planning to build

    FTFY

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How will the data centers be connected to the Internet? Satellite? Sounds expensive.. Or those cruise ships selling their internet data packages are all lying about how expensive is to have satellite internet..

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Terrible article. Does not answer the "why" question. What is the advantage? All it says is that "Seasides can ease the pains of giant mainland AI date centers". Is it just skirting around taxes and rules, like a floating casino? The ship would have a shoreside power connection or power itself as well apparently. Would the ships generators be subject to the same emission requirements as shoreside plants?

    Seems like just a floating barge that will not really be out at sea, just sitting in protected bays or up waterways. Cooling water, would have to use a closed circuit freshwater system with heat exchangers cooling it with saltwater. That would consume less water than the evaporation cooling method, but still is not listed a possible reason.

    Ships are expensive. What is the reason for floating a data center? Cheaper than land near big cities? Less regulations? Less taxes? Cooling water? Cheaper electricity?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Tweaker version of Red October where they steal all the copper: “Itsh a game of chesh against our old adversary…”

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Wait, isn’t this what happened in Snowcrash?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Makes sense. Leaves our potable water alone and keeps the fuckers out of sight. They could even put in wind turbines to power the fucking things.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The warming of the water is likely an issue for marine life and ecosystems

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    The water is being warmed by burning hydrocarbons which emit massive quantities of CO and CO2 which in turn hold in the sun's heat which in turn causes the oceans to heat up dangerously. Not to mention CO2 is an acidic gas which wreaks havoc on marine life and land life.

    The amount of heat instilled in the oceans from this type operation is negligible.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah I disagree with this sentiment, "things are already bad so this new level of bad is negligible"

    Yeah sure a single instance but how quickly will it ramp up? What are the local consequences of it? See UV suncream bleaching the barrier reef for examples on how we can destroy nature simply by being present in it.

    You are excusing something that is not necessary, to the detriment of habitats, biomes and ourselves.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You don't sound like you physics very often. Sorry. I can't fight gut feelings with facts. I've tried. It doesn't work.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    JK but the oceans aren't really warming up fast enough. Maybe a buttload of gpus may help?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Yupp, I've heard that the sea need more help heating up....

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Warming local water systems will have zero effect on the local environment and wildlife

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I’ve seen pictures of data centers with parking lots full of cars. Are they going to ferry people to and from work each shift?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Probably like an oil rig rotation. You live and work for a contracted period of time on the boat, then you cycle off with someone else every few months or so.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That makes sense, but it’s also incredibly unappealing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    People on oil rigs aren't necessarily the most skilled in their field. They still make well above median income because they put up with shit like this. Im sure something similar would develop. Would you sign up for a 12 week contract if it paid $60k?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Reasonability of the solution aside, Samsung is uniquely positioned to propose such project as one of the largest electronics manufacturer and shipmaker in the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    What regulatory approval do you need if it's in international waters

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Ships have to be registered in a country and follow the laws of that country when they're in international water.

    If you don't register your ship you're effectively a pirate and any navy can just blast your ship out of the water.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Good torpedo targets

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Samsung: Can we have AI monies too?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I always kinda wondered how biblical ocean boiling would come about.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Honestly if they are going to build a datacenter anyway, this is my preferred way to go. Plenty of water for cooling, power is harder but not impossible.

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