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[–] 100 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Not objecting, but what is the motivation of the Mexican government to do this? Have they done similar things before?

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  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I don't think they've done something exactly like this, but they have aggressively tackled obesity in recent years, going as far as labeling all foods with excess fats, salt, and sugar. It's very visible on the package and it does influence what I buy.

    But this is the way I found out we're doing this now. 😅

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    But also I think because all the existing cocoa producers are evil enslavers. This will help something like 1800 Mexican farmers.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    With a chocolate bar? I see it has less refined sugar, but it could still have the same amount of sugar.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    refined sugars are processed by the digestive system faster and are turned to fat.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Processed or not, sugar is only turned to fat in the body if it is 1) fructose, or 2) more than what you need. Every cell in our bodies can store sugar in the form of glycogen. If our glycogen stores are low, any consumed sources of sugar will be enzymatically broken down, the fructose converted in our liver, and the glucose converted to glycogen and circulated in our blood to replenish the rest of our stores. Then after this process the excess will be converted to fat.

    As for fatty acids themselves, they generally go to our muscles first if needed, and then the rest fills our fat cells.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When reducing unhealthy food in your diet, having less-bad alternatives to the unhealthy thing you're craving can be a big help as your metabolism adjusts to the new diet.

    For a personal example I've been greatly reducing sugar in my diet and sometimes I just crave something sweet. I've found ice cream to be the least sugary option, and I consume less sugar by having a bowl of ice cream than I would by having a few chocolates. My wife has a significant soda drinking habit and when she really craves a soda she's been turning to the Poppi and Olipop sodas as less-bad alternatives

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Not to be outdone, Trump had the following announcement from the White House:

    "Today, the USA introduced its new chocolate bar, priced at over $10. Made of 0% cocoa, hydrogenated corn syrup, and trans fats. No natural ingredients, no milk, no vanilla. It's bigly on flavor and very, very, tasty. We are taking pre-orders now at USAChocolate.gov."

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are you sure they would use TRANS fats?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    HAHAHA and they say having healthcare makes you feel freedom

    bites into injection molded PFAS chocolate bar

    They have NO idea what freedom tastes like.

    spits out chewed candy bar

    The best part is if you get the app subscription you can refill the taste for the next time you chew on it!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm remembering an episode of Doug where they were trying to sell chocolate bars that nobody wanted, with the running gag of them still having last year's bar as a door stop and then at the end of the episode, we are shown that some random series of coicendences had a concrete mixer dumping concrete into the chocolate, explaining why they were so hard and heavy (and inedible).

    I can't help but think Trump's chocolate would be the same, but the concrete is purposefully there and not just by accident.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The lady doing the presentation said that it has 35% of cane sugar.

    Also behind her you see "hecho con azúcar de caña" which means "made with cane sugar".

    Cane sugar is generally at least a bit refined merely to purify it (so unlike High-Frutose Corn Syrup it's not made by chemically transforming something else).

    That said, it's unclear if they use unrefined sugar cane, though that stuff is a complete total pita to work with hence I doubt it's not in the least bit refined.

    Mind you I looked around and the info on this is all over the place: like for example saying "no added sugars" but then a bit further it turns out it has "cane sugar", which does mean that sugars were added (as the cocoa plant doesn't produce cane sugar, that would be the sugarcane plant).

    Mind you, by all indications this beats almost all North American chocolates, but that hardly a tall barrier to overcome. It's pretty common to find similar stuff in European supermarkets.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What would sweeten it if it didn’t have added sugars? I’m not sure I fully understand what you’re saying.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's saying its likely got cane sugar, which is basically "less" refined sugar. It seems unlikely it has no added sugars and likely what they are trying to say is: it has no high processed sugars/artificial sweeteners.

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  • [–] 280 points 1 year ago* (38 children)

    American government: Builds concentration camps

    Mexican government: Develops brand new chocolate bars

    I'm happy to see there are still some governments out there who rule in the interest of the people.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    A high quality chocolate bar, at that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well, depends on if the advertising matches the product.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, they list the ingredients and percentages.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They list what they claim are the ingredients and percentages.

    They're also the state. Who is going to fine them?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yup realize the state isn't making them, right? It's a partnership/subsidization with one of the food companies that handles welfare foods.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    The MEXICAN government ruling in the interests of the people? This is absolutely delusional. Mexico is one of the most corrupt, dangerous, and unstable places in the world. The country is quickly turning into a warzone because of the cartels, and both the current and previous presidents and their government aren't doing anything about it because they're bought.

    A government making a chocolate bar to distract from the crippling poverty and crime is not good governance, it's the opposite.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Mexico's murder rate per 100 000 is 24.9, meaning you're on average safer in Mexico than in Newark, Memphis, Cleveland, Kansas City, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore or St. Louis.

    Never mind that murders in Mexico are generally committed using American firearms, and for American money over drugs that are to be sold in America. Mexico's problem is America. So while we wait for America to selfdestruct, I guess they might as well get to work on public health issues.

    Obviously not saying that cartels are not a huge fucking problem. It's hard to get good politicians when they murder anyone who resists them. But the cartels are in large part a product of America's failures. Europeans are not innocent either - fuck every coke snorting upper class brat who is having their pathetic highs at the expense of a whole fucking continent.

    /rant

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What a load of nonsense

    First of all, why are you comparing the homicide rate a country to specific cities? That's the epitome of cherry picking. Compare country to country like a normal person. The US homicide rate in 2023 was 5.763 (ranks 66th), and Mexico's in the same year was 24.859 (18th). This means that Mexico's homicide rate is more than FOUR times higher than America's homicide rate. Mexico's homicide rate is so insanely high that it has more total murders annually (32,252) than the US (19,796), a country with 3x it's population. The difference alone is so high that if it was ranked globally, it would rank 8th ahead of Pakistan and below Colombia, both notoriously dangerous countries with very high populations. Do you understand just how insanely dangerous Mexico is? Clearly not.

    What's crazy is that the US is a dangerous country. It is the most dangerous developed country by far. For Mexico to make the US look this safe in comparison means that it's basically a war zone, and it is. Mexico is quite literally classified as one of the handful of countries that is experience a major war. That's how bad the cartel wars have gotten. Pretending that US is anywhere near Mexico is beyond disingenuous.

    But do you know what the federal Mexican government is doing about all the cartels and their rapes, human trafficking, drugs, violence, assassinations of local politicians, persecution of journalists, extortion, massacres, racketeering, barbaric executions, fraud, and literal fucking torture concentration camps? Nothing. They're doing nothing. The current president, Sheinbaum, and her predecessor, AMLO, are both notorious for enabling the cartels. They let them do whatever they want without any consequences, and the people are paying the price for it.

    No Mexican is going to ever tell you that the cartels are the fault of America. That's the most mind numbingly idiotic take that anybody could have about the situation there. This is how I know that you've never talked to a Mexican in your life. Trying to infantilize Mexicans by blaming the issues of their country on America or Europe is just racism of low expectations. Mexico has agency and Mexican know that this the doing of their government's corruption, incompetence, and negligence. These cartels should've been squashed the moment they arose, but they weren't and they still aren't even though things are getting out of control. This brainrotted mentality of thinking that you're smart for blaming America for anything and everything neither makes you sound smart nor does it make your assertions true. The same goes for saying "America bad" as a comparison, it doesn't negate the points brought up.

    You can play all the mental gymnastics you want, it's not going to change the fact that Mexico is an incredibly dangerous place and the Mexican government is not ruling in the interests of its people, and nobody is more vocal about this than Mexicans.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mexico is not one place, it is many places. Yucatán has lower homicide rates than Wyoming.

    I wonder where you think the cartels gets their weapons from. Mexico has strict gun laws. Or their money - it doesn't just spawn out of nowhere. Parts of Mexico are dangerous because they are part of an illegal trade route to the US, fuelled by American weapons and American money, and that is that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Obviously, Mexico is a big diverse country so you're going to find good areas and bad areas. However, we're talking about the state of the nation as a whole.

    It's not really a secret how the cartels get their weapons. America is the world's biggest arms manufacturer and exporter, and it's the country with the highest amount civilian owned guns per capita in the world. It doesn't really take much for a bunch massive crime syndicates to organize smuggling operations to bring guns across the border. Mexico's strict guns laws are supposed to be there to prevent this from happening, but they're not. The same goes for the money, again they're crime cartels selling things that are illegal, though now they're controlling actual industries too, but that's besides the point.

    Nobody is responsible for the cartels besides Mexico. They popped organically inside the country, they grew inside the country, and they still operate inside the country. The Mexican government knows who they are and what they do, but they're choosing to look the other way. Shifting blame is just a dishonest way to avoid putting pressure on the only party that can do anything about these cartels, and that's the Mexican government.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wait I'm confused, so Mexico is safer than the USA, but they murder any politician who goes against the cartel?

    Doesn't sound so safe to me?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Tell me you haven't been to Mexico without telling me you haven't been to Mexico.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    This guy is a zionist. Don't waste your time with him

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Seems a little off topic and unsourced?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If someone justify a genocide how can you him in anything?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think the issue is that you've not provided evidence that the other user supports Israel's genocide in Gaza.

    At the end of the day it's just an internet argument and not worth it, but if you want to make your point, I'd start by getting that evidence.

    I do agree in principle that I would think twice before agreeing with any position a genocide supporter takes, though that doesn't necessarily mean I will disagree on any particular point after giving it due thought. If they said throwing puppies from a roof was bad, I'd agree, for example.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Just an FYI for anybody reading this thread, this guy is a well known troll on here. If you go through his comment history, he calls EVERYTHING zionist regardless of validity or context.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sure i am a troll who call everybody a zionist. Like one of the guys not you who said gazans voted for hamas so palestinians deserve what happened to them

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good thing I've never said that, and I know you won't be able to find a single comment to prove your claim either. I see you under every other post with your bad english claiming that everyone and everything is a zionist who loves genocide regardless of context, validity, or relevance. There's never any evidence, but that won't stop you making stuff up. Like I said, you're a troll.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    A bunch of bs. Your comment by my English show that you have no real arguments. English is my 3rd language, you can't expect my English to be perfect. I only call people who every time Israel break international laws keep talking about iran, khamas , khizbollah and never ever talk about how israel war crimes.

    You justified people getting arrested for protesting against calling Palestine actions. You justified Israel attack on Iran. Striking nuclear facilities is a war crime under international law. So stop pretending that you are not a zionist.

    Anybody can check our comments histories and see who is lying.

    You are not only a Zionist but also a transphobic

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A bunch of bs. Your comment by my English show that you have no real arguments. English is my 3rd language, you can’t expect my English to be perfect.

    There's difference between being perfect and being hard to understand, you're the latter. I also speak another language, I speak Arabic, but you don't seem to have an issue making out what I say.

    So stop pretending that you are not a zionist.

    You're a zionist

    Anybody can check our comments histories and see who is lying.

    They're more than welcome too

    You are not only a Zionist but also a transphobic

    Let's see the treasure chest that is your moderation history:

    It looks like I'm not the only one who noticed you're a troll. You're the only troll on this site who can manage to turn a post about Mexican chocolate bars into a pissing match about Israel where you case every atom in the universe of being zionist.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You're a zionist

    Which evidence do you have , it seems that it is you who is trolling

    There's difference between being perfect and being hard to understand, you're the latter. I also speak another language, I speak Arabic, but you don't seem to have an issue making out what I say.

    Apparently my english is good enough to understand every single word and sentence i write.

    Europeen complicity is a fact, anybody unbiased know that my comments was for exposing europeen hypocrisy .

    It looks like I'm not the only one who noticed you're a troll. You're the only troll on this site who can manage to turn a post about Mexican chocolate bars into a pissing match about Israel where you case every atom in the universe of being zionist

    Let's say the mod was right about the trolling. Your comments that was removed was a lot more serious. Like the one removed for transphobia.

    You turned a topic about chocolate into talking about mexico being not safe.

    So you are a zionist, a transfobe and a racist

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I literally don't give a shit. I called you out for being a troll because you're under every post and every community calling everyone and anyone a zionist with zero evidence, validity, relevance, or context. Clearly a bunch of other people and mods on this site agree with this notion considering how many times you've been banned for trolling, derailing, or being off topic over the same thing. Hell, even you agree that you're a troll by conceding the mods are right. That's all there is to it. You proved my point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Clearly you've never set foot in Mexico and if you have, you've only been to a heavily guarded resort in a place like Cancun with other white Americans. If you're going to sit here and argue that Mexico is wealthy, safe, or that it's government is doing good then you're literally too ignorant for this conversation.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Have you been to Mexico? How about you take a little vacation to Sinaloa to prove me wrong?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was there a year ago. It was nice enough, not nearly as worrisome as I thought it would be. Yes, I stayed in the tourist areas, no I didn't wander into the rural areas, no I didn't try to start shit in clubs, yes I saw armed military on patrol. There were a lot of people trying to live their lives despite the serious crime in the region.

    There are absolutely terrible things happening there and I would love for them to get better. I can say the same thing about the US. At least Mexico isn't waging war on my country, trade or otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Where did you go? Culiacan? Mazatlan? If you stuck exclusively to the tourist areas and made sure you were on red alert all the time, and tried to avoid wandering anywhere or having any sort of confrontation, then you would be fine for the most part... but that in itself isn't normal. By having that sort of discipline out of fear goes beyond the scope of normal tourist precautions.

    Also, even though the US is dangerous in its own right, and has plenty of issues, it is not at all comparable to Mexico. The US homicide rate is a quarter of Mexico's and it has been declining sharply over the past few years. There's nothing like the cartels in the country, most of the crime is localized. There aren't organized crime syndicates running entire cities.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not the news I was expecting but kind of a cool way to address a variety of issues, like obesity, imports from US, generating revenue, subsidizing a national crop, etc.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago

    Don't hold your breath, the Mexican government makes the American government under Republican rule seem competent. Just like how the American government is bought and paid for by corporations, the Mexican government is bought and paid for by the cartels.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Hershey chocolate bar is rejected as chocolate because it doesn't have enough cocoa and is contaminated with lead.

    Hershey's milk chocolate contains around 11% cocoa solids, meaning it doesn't meet the European standard according to some sources. Therefore, in some European countries, Hershey's is labeled as "chocolate-flavored" or "chocolate-flavored candy bar" rather than simply "chocolate". 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/consumer-reports-finds-more-lead-cadmium-chocolate-urges-change-hershey-2023-10-25/

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Makes me think of "American Cheese Product," "cheese" that is closer to plastic but tastes and feels like cheese.

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Glad the quality chocolate and also coffee isn't wasted on the US.
    Would be pearls before swines.
    They don't know better anyway.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    This is just bigotry. Just because a shitty megacorp makes shitty products that doesn't mean good chocolate or coffee don't exist here. You sound like the type of person who bases their views entirely on stereotypes.

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  • [+] -23 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh no bigotry!
    It's not about 1 shitty company. OC in a large country there will be some individuals who get good coffee or chocolate.
    But the vast majority consume garbage quality.
    And it's OK bcs they are tasteless peasants.
    Drown it in sugar, or better their beloved corn syrup and they'll happily swallow it by the buckets.
    My view is based on all US products I had the misfortune to taste.
    Besides stereotypes are often true.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You should rather pity them. It's like Platon's Shadow Cave, they've been fed lies, their entire lives, the few of them that actually get out of the USA will know the difference.. The sad thing is that if you try to convince the ones that have never left the country, they will die rather than admit defeat.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I have moved beyond pitying.
    Maybe in 1930 where some people could be misled bcs of lack of information and really believed they did some good by putting on a nazi uniform is somewhat understandable.
    These days everyone has internet and can find out anything if they want to.
    Despite the vast propaganda and media control in the US it is no longer an excuse.
    They are willfully ignorant.
    Even when they get confronted online with unpleasant facts they get back in their trenches as you mentioned.
    So no sympathy here, they can stay in their cave and rot.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What a moron. You chosing to consume shitty products is not an excuse to be a racist bigot, and you choosing to believing does not make them true, that's why they're stereotypes. You're sound exactly like nazi saying that the stereotypes about jews are often true or a white supremacist saying the stereotypes about black people are often true or a homophobic religious zealot saying that the stereotypes about gays are often true. You saying it so, doesn't make it so, the only thing it does is demonstrate your appalling ignorance.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    LOL so butthurt.
    Calm TF down clown.

    "you choosing to believing does not make them true"

    Stereotypes are not 'choosing to believing' whatever TF you're trying to say.
    I said they are often true.
    Like the groteskly obese american stereotype, proven by any study.

    I can see from other comments who say you are transphobic and a zionist 🤮 that I shouldn't care about your opinion.
    So fuck off, bye nazionist

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