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[–] 133 points 5 months ago (23 children)

tl;dr:

Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that's rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn't align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.

Just so you know which religion to convert to.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, hypothetically couldn't you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I'm a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Wow, you actually got your card?

    They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that's fine.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I've known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it's also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I'm getting old) and other social justice stuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    My UU ordained friend is a nonbinary activist who was in Minneapolis during the ICE shit.

    The first time I went to a UU service, I was invited to a rationalist group that meets there.

    It’s all of the good things about religion (ie - community. People who will meal train for you when you are in trouble, people who will teach your kids good shit) without much of the baggage.

    I’m personally going to start attending either a UU or a really loosely Methodist group just for the social aspect. I think one of the failures of atheism is the lack of acknowledgment of the benefits of community and ritual. There’s not enough β€œthird places” in the world, and churches can fill that roll quite well. Perhaps this is just my own recent near death experience speaking, but it’s good to have a community that cares about you.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm out of the loop now, but when I was younger there was a weird divide between the youth/young adult stuff, and adult.

    The adult stuff was a lot of traditional "sit and listen to a talk".

    The youth was a lot more hand on, interactive. "Let's start a bonfire, write down our fears, and throw them into it". "We got people from the community to teach how to make instruments out of junk".

    I really liked it when I was younger, and met a lot of kids who were very cool.

    Maybe I should see what's on offer around here. I don't want to go to a "service" but I miss the community sometimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Amish

    That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who lives near an Amish community, the amount of them I see in Walmart on cellphones tells me they've got at least enough loopholes to be shopping in Walmart with a cellphone, so "working with computers" is probably perfectly fine.

    ...or you go straight to hell. IDK.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    There were already 100 reasons why the Unitarians are where it’s at.

    But I really don’t think this is reason 101. All we have here is someone who asked their employer for this and was fortunate enough to have it granted.

    That means nothing for anyone else. There is not some national law that all Unitarians have this protected right now.

    So yeah… you might as well try on grounds that it offends Allah, because you’ll have the same odds.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I've learnt about the UU not that long ago and I'm getting into with much fondness. To me it's one of the only paths if you're a Christian-based perennialist who believes in the existence of God and follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible. Basically it's only Unitarians or non-denominational Chrisians.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's funny because in Australia it's even non-religious (well the churches I've heard of).

    That's how based the UU is.

    All be welcome, yo.

    Seek the truth and serve humanity.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Sure, I think UU basically defaults to being atheist, but it very much accepts any and all beliefs as long as they're not harmful.

    I find it very sweet because leftist circles usually tend to be unfriendly towards religious people. Basically it's like being a right-wing homosexual - at best you'll be met with judgemental acceptance; ostracization at worst.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    perennialist

    a school of thought in philosophy and spirituality that posits that the recurrence of common themes across world religions illuminates universal truths about the nature of reality, humanity, ethics, and consciousness.

    Interesting.

    follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible.

    I feel you. I mean Paulus? Once you realize what he was about it's not hard to see the rest of the whole book in a similar light. Not to mention the "holy" people who decided what went in it at all.

    I once admitted that much to some Jehovah's Witnesses that came to my door. They completely misunderstood my statement, thought they had their hooks in me. They were relentless and started showing up much more often. Lesson learned: never engage with them.

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  • [–] 51 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Guys I think I just found religion.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just "none", but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was "none".

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It's too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.

    Source: I've been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.

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  • [–] 180 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They're called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.

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  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don't believe in Satan.

    AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. "You're correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye."

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    How about an atheist exemption?

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I despise AI, however, religious exceptions for work are stupid.

    Go to work for your church/mosque/temple if it's that important for you.

    If you're a Christian, live like a bird in the field, like Jesus says. Go pick through the garbage can and be content in your righteousness. You're reward isn't earthly, but in Heaven, right?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not religious but I feel like people should have a right to take their annual leave for their religious holidays, yeah?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    People should be able to take annual leave for whatever they want, provided contractual agreements and sufficient advance notice. I don't understand how any of it needs to do with religion.

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  • Ok well say your company has ten people. One of them is a purpleite and every year the religion celebrates the merging of red and blue, every year - and it coincides with the superbowl. Seven of the ten people want to take that as a long weekend to watch the game. The company can handle this.. but oh no! wait, two of the remaining employees are related and share a mother who has people coming after her for personal reasons. She wants to send her kids to somewhere safe so she sends them to west philly. It turns out that's where the merging happens so the three of them can drive over together. Meanwhile two people have to cancel their superbowl plans to accommodate the purplite. The two related employees get to live safely with their mother's sister and her husbandi think that this is fine, it sucks for the superbowl crew but that's not as important as someone's religion or someone's family situation. I think if you read this and look in the mirror you will see it all with a fresh understanding.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    Trying to start a long, boring conversation about ethics has worked so far to keep people from forcing their slop machines on me, but it's nice to know there are options

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Are you guys trying to get religion banned?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If you could ban religion, or ban AI, which would you ban?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    If you ban religion AI will become people's God. So that is really not an option.

    Religion has caused so much suffering though.

    A blanket ban on AI seems extreme, perhaps banning commercialization would be the way to go so no one can try and profit from it. Obviously corporations would not like this idea.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If you ban religion AI will become people's God.

    Say more here. It’s an interesting claim. Why do you see this as inevitable? I’m an atheist and AI has not become my god.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I am just basing it off the fact that a bunch of people are already using AI in this fashion. Without something to fill this gap I think AI would be a likely candidate.

    https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/silicon-valleys-obsession-with-ai-looks-a-lot-like-religion/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_the_Future

    It has already become common for existing religions to use AI to answer spiritual questions and preachers have started using it to write sermons.

    I think cutting people off of traditional religion would accelerated this AI god concept. This is just my opinion of course.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    That's one way to make the Catholic church popular again.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    β€œYou can now get an exemption” is a huge overstatement.

    Someone in North Carolina asked for it and happened to get it from her employer. That does not provide any firm basis for anyone else to follow. Any of us could have tried this last month with the same odds we have now.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.

    As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That's it, I'm converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I'm considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    So maybe if I dont want to use AI at work I can LARP that Using AI is sinful

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Surely my corporate overlords will respect me if I couch my objection in paleoconservative language.

    Oh, what's that? I'm still being shoved into the trash compactor and squeezed for all my surplus labor value, even though I've dangled this nifty religious icon in their face? Oh well... I guess my office is just Woke.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    If I was hiring for my hypothetical construction company I'd have a real easy time picking between an employee who gets the job done and one who refuses to use power tools.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Oh you'd hire the one installing lead pipes and eating asbestos sandwhiches while drinking round-up? Because corporations told me none of those are bad.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    No, I'd hire the one using power tools and PEX pipes. Not the one stuck in the 19th century.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    This is a strawman argument, and not really related to "ai" in any way.

    If i was going to twist this to relate to sloperators though, in your analogy it would be akin to hiring either an old school plumber using hand tools who gets the job done with no leaks, vs a 16 year old kid with a full Milwaukee toolset thats never done a job without causing Significant leaks and damage to clients homes and the businesses reputation.

    Again, its not a good comparison either way.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I wonder, those objecting to AI, are they also objecting to using any web search or predictive text features? As I understand it, it's all just varying degrees of the same math.

    edit: Ok, I think I see now that it may be more about what it does rather than what it is.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Predictive text won't write a book for you. Nobody has developed psychosis from using a search engine.

    Your argument is reductive, like seeing somebody panicking because a hurricane is coming and responding with "What's the big deal? It's just a rainstorm!"

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Once those who stole all human knowledge and art with 0 repercussions with the intent to sell it back to us either pay every human on earth 100,000 dollars or more, or relieve their ownership of the companies and all land and data centers that go with it, and also make it illegal to use for law enforcement or any surveillance, then it can be used for specific scenarios if needed.

    Oh that won't happen ? Burn it down.

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