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[–] 25 points 5 months ago

There’s a lot we don’t know, and a chance we’ll find out all about it. I do, however, know these two things. One, Platner is almost certain to be the Democratic nominee. Two, short of revelations involving murder, rape, or a taste for child pornography, Platner needs to be backed by Democrats to the hilt. That may seem like a really low bar, and maybe it is. But I’m less interested in his personal life than I am in Collins’s public one, because that’s what really matters here.

So let us now return to the question of Collins’s week. The Senate cast a bunch of votes last week. And Collins did what she always does when she’s up for reelection—she voted with the Democrats on the ones people pay attention to, and as a Republican on the others.

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  • [–] 92 points 5 months ago* (53 children)

    Anybody who has mixed feelings about him need to listen to his interview with Jon Stewart on the Weekly Show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-itNjgCJDxU

    MSM/Corporate Media are doing a massive smear campaign on him because he's railing against the Iran war and against Israel's incursions. The money machine is stacking against him and he needs as much support as possible. The tattoo is a red herring.

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    MSM/Corporate Media are doing a massive smear campaign on him because he’s railing against the Iran war and against Israel’s incursions.

    What is infuriating about Platner isn't that his rhetoric is bad or that his totenkomf is "fake news" or whatever. It's that it really is just Platner or actual fascists.

    In a better world, Platner would not be a viable candidate, because he'd be running against a dozen Zohran Mamdani's. In this world, it's Platner versus The Genocide Machine.

    And I'm not going to vote for the Genocide Machine. I'm still disgusted that a Shoot-And-Cry Iraq Vet is the best we can do.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I've seen people talk about the only option being Platner for months now. Isn't the primary like, today? A lot of people have seemed hellbent on absolutely not supporting anyone but Platner, and absolutely not supporting any "Mamdani" to go up against him.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Isn’t the primary like, today?

    Yeah, but Janet Mills dropped out in April. She was the only significant contender against Platner for the nomination.

    A lot of people have seemed hellbent on absolutely not supporting anyone but Platner

    Mills is currently the most unpopular Governor in the country, with a 29% approval rating (worse than Trump). I don't think it's quite so much hellbent on Platner as it is hellbent on not electing another Schumercrat. The only other candidate on the ballot - David Costello - has no budget or constituency. He spent the bulk of his career in Maryland, doing work as a mid-level staffer for the governor.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Exactly fucker brag about going to Iraq to murder people. Sucks that the best the DNC can put forward. That's my problem glad I don't have to make that vote.

    Sick and tired of holding my nose to vote for a lesser evil.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Sucks that the best the DNC can put forward.

    The DNC didn't put Platner up. Schumer backed Janet Mills, a wildly unpopular governor already pushing 80. Platner drubbed her in the primary precisely because she was such a wet fart of a candidate.

    Sick and tired of holding my nose to vote for a lesser evil.

    Genuinely infuriating. But I'm enjoying the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd go into convulsions over whether or not they want to sink this guy or sink their chances at taking the Senate.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not the DNC but Morris Katz, the leader of Democrat consultancy firm Fight Agency.

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  • [+] -12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Well I no longer a registered Democrat so I can even vote in their primary anymore. Regardless DNC put up two shit candidates. This guy just other Fetterman and no progressive hero. His past actions show who he really is.

    Any way I am in Oklahoma lets see how it plays out. He probably will win at least Colin got to go. But I won't get excited not until we see how he vote once he is in office.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    This guy just other Fetterman

    Fetterman is deep in the tank for Israel. If anything, Platner is the opposite of Fetterman. Genuinely curious to see what happens in a Senate where they're both sharing a committee assignment.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    MFW the tankies all fell for Israeli smear campaigns

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Well I mean there's a lot of y'all who saw one documentary by PETA about the worst farm in the US, maybe world (a farm that no farmer I've met would mind seeing shit down) and decided that that's every farm.

    Propaganda doesn't stop being propaganda when it's your side pushing it. The most important lesson I learned from being in too many cults is that: if you tell a precisely told truth in the right time and at the right spot, you can mislead people (i.e. lie) very easily and with plenty of deniability.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago* (36 children)

    The tattoo story is sketchy AF. I watched the interview (not with Jon Stewart, the one with Chris Hayes), and what I got out of it is that this guy knew exactly what he was inking on his chest, and now he's trying really hard to explain it away as complete ignorance.

    Well, here's my take: either his story is made up and I wouldn't vote for a Nazi, or it's true and I wouldn't vote for a moron.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Do you think he's a secret Nazi or a reformed Nazi? Because there's a galaxy between a person who is trying to trick their way into advancing white supremacy, and a person who has walked down a dark path and learned from it.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't matter what I think - but I think he's a dimwit, for what it's worth.

    My point is that, once again, the democrats managed to find possibly the most controversial candidate they could find, when it would have been so easy to go with someone with a genuine connection to the voters and without the stupid baggage of awkward questions.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    "The Democrats" didn't do anything. Platner is the outsider here. I swear to God, if Mills had stayed in the race y'all would be wailing about DNC corruption. But a flawed outsider? Also DNC corruption, somehow.

    Platner is only where he is because he has a real connection with voters. If he didn't, he'd have been pushed out by Mills, tha actual DNC "Next Wo/Man Up."

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (28 children)

    When I was a little kid, I thought the ghost outfits looked cool. Does that make me KKK because I had a stupid idea as a youth?

    We all have moments in our life that we regret. The man's actions then may have been misinformed. Do you condemn everyone for transgressions forever? Have you made mistakes that you can't take back?

    Point being - despite that symbol having been reappropriated/misappropriated/etc. from Nordic symbology, could there be a chance that it was done by an impetuous Marine in his HOOOO-rah days thinking "man, that's some cool skull and bones," and not something ingrained in their psyche or philosophy? Irony being the Mitchell and Webb skit being more on the nose than usual.

    Edited: *I did not realize that the skull and bones was the symbol. I thought people were up in arms about the Norse wolf since there are some white hate groups that use their symbols/runes.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    despite that symbol having been reappropriated/misappropriated/etc. from Nordic symbology,

    The totenkopf is not an appropriated Nordic symbol.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (24 children)

    When I was a little kid, I thought the ghost outfits looked cool. Does that make me KKK because I had a stupid idea as a youth?

    Platner wasn't a kid when he got the Totenkopf tattooed. You can claim innocence as a kid, he can't. That's the difference.

    Also, assuming he did a stupid tattoo when he was serving and he didn't know - and yes, okay, everybody makes mistakes - he had 17 years to find out. Not once did anyone in the supposedly Jewish side of his family point out that he had a SS tattoo on his chest? Not once did he have the curiosity to find out exactly what he had had tattooed all those years ago? Really?

    Draw your own conclusion, but I'm not buying it myself. Like I said, at best it's sketchy. And if you're not sure whom to vote for in Maine, this might tip the balance, because nobody who isn't MAGA wants to vote for someone who reeks of Nazism.

    And that's why I'm saying he's a terrible candidate, and the dems just don't know how to win anything.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    You really believe he knew it was a nazi tattoo and still chose to get into politics on a platform that is the direct opposite of the establishment? And somehow not knowing the establishment would turn over every rock to discredit him and a nazi tattoo would easily kill his political career. And then also piss off all the nazis by publicly covering it up? And also not have the insight to side with the republicans where Stephen Miller literally plagiarizes Goebbels to give a public nazi speech? If he wanted to be a nazi politician he would've had far easier time being that by siding with the republicans and not run on a platform that pisses off both republicans and democrats.

    I'm drawing the conclusion that he was a dumb ass crayon eating marine who got his tattoo vetted (multiple times) by the USMC and didn't think anything more about it. Because the alternative is that he's the biggest moron on the planet and Nick Shirley exists so he's obviously not the biggest moron.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    I’m drawing the conclusion that he was a dumb ass crayon eating marine who got his tattoo vetted (multiple times) by the USMC and didn’t think anything more about it.

    Yeah alright. Fair enough. Your argument is valid.

    Then like I said, if he's not a Nazi, I wouldn't vote for a crayon-eating dum-dum.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    He was a crayon-eating dum-dum. It's pretty clear somewhere along the line he stopped being a crayon-eater and grew up. 10-20 years ago I wasn't a crayon-eating dumbass but I was a neoliberal dumbass, now I openly criticize neoliberalism for being fucking stupid. People change and I doubt Platner holds the same views he had 20 years ago when he was a dumb grunt.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Were you also at Abu Ghraib? Did you also serve several tours in Iraq, murdering countless civilians? Did you also work for Blackwater?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Is he still in Abu Ghraib? Is he still murdering civilians? Is he still working at Blackwater? And perhaps more importantly, has his military career made him more pro American foreign policy or more anti American foreign policy?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (7 children)

    Maybe I'm crazy, but gleefully murdering and torturing Iraqis is typically a deal breaker for me when it comes to elected officials.

    Couldn't really care less if he became a fucking monk afterwards

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    Gleefully? Fucking gleefully? Could you be any more disingenuous?

    Whatever, it's not my job to change your opinion. If you want to hold every mistake he's ever done over his head go ahead, just don't fall off your high horse. And if it's such a deal breaker continue voting for the politicians who have seen war only in movies and have no guilt over sending youth into a meat grinder.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Yes, fucking gleefully.

    Do yourself a favor and Google "Graham Platner quotes about killing"

    Jesus Christ how low is the bar? Yes I'm going to hold his words and actions against him, he's running for public office and those words and actions are fucking horrifying.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I gave you the bare minimum of doing the google (which I shouldn't be doing in the first place because it's on you to prove your statements) and found literally nothing, so unless you can cite your source I'm going to stand by what I said.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children)

    I'd like to ask you what kind of person voluntarily serves four tours in Iraq (including guard duty at Abu Ghraib prison), only then to get a job at Blackwater to continue the same kind of work? What kind of person does that? Even without the Nazi tattoo, that would have been more than enough to raise red flags. Shit man, just working at Blackwater is a problem for me.

    Anyway, there's a full archive of his reddit posts and comments, which is why I said to Google it yourself.

    I will concede that maybe "gleefully" is a little hyperbolic, and "without empathy or remorse" is probably more accurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm not going to continue talking in circles. I've addressed what you said in two ways. First I asked

    And perhaps more importantly, has his military career made him more pro American foreign policy or more anti American foreign policy?

    Which you continued to ignore. And since you weren't interested in having that conversation I responded with:

    Whatever, it’s not my job to change your opinion. If you want to hold every mistake he’s ever done over his head go ahead, just don’t fall off your high horse. And if it’s such a deal breaker continue voting for the politicians who have seen war only in movies and have no guilt over sending youth into a meat grinder.

    There's no discussion to have here. You're hellbent on hating the guy so the only way for me to treat you is the same way you treat him, which means I don't give a shit that you're now conceding that "gleeful" was hyperbolic, you already made your mistake so you're forever disingenuous.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Did you even know what traits separated a totenkopf from any other skull and crossbones before this scandal? And your hypothesis is that sometime in those 17 years his Jewish family recognized it, told him, and he said "nah, I'll keep it"? The secret Nazi theory just doesn't make any sense.

    The reality is the totenkopf is a relatively obscure symbol, is similar to popular benign symbols, and tattoos blur over time. That's why he got through the military tattoo reviews.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    According to Wikipedia, nothing distinguishes a totenkopf from other skull symbols, with or without bones behind it. Poison symbol? Totenkopf. Punisher logo? Totenkopf. Skull with a bullet hole in it? Believe it or not, totenkopf.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This is so fucking disingenuous.

    Might want to think about taking a step back and considering why you're defending Nazi symbology

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Go read the Wikipedia page. It's silly.

    I have no idea if it's a realistic depiction of what qualifies or not, but practically any skull used in a vaguely militaristic context qualifies under its description.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Then wow it must just be a crazy coincidence that the tattoo he got on his chest is the exact design that Wikipedia (and pretty much every other site about Nazi symbology) chose to show as an example.

    What bad luck! 🙄

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    you:

    Platner wasn’t a kid when he got the Totenknopf tattoed. You can claim innocence as a kid, he can’t. That’s the difference.

    me:

    could there be a chance that it was done by an impetuous Marine in his HOOOO-rah days thinking

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Not once did anyone in the supposedly Jewish side of his family point out that he had a SS tattoo on his chest?

    I'm Jewish, if I saw that on his chest I wouldn't have any idea what it means. How could I inform him of his mistake if I didn't know. And if I did know I would have been steering clear of him, not talking to him about his tattoo.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    Stop for campaigning Susan Collins.

    Because that is your choice, Graham or Susan.

    Or maybe you're just really invested in the GOP holding on to Congress, in that case, I guess keep doing what you're doing.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not mixed at all. I want a progressive who won't back down from MAGAs, who won't be intimidated, who won't be polite, who will have the courage to crush MAGA.

    If he does those things, and later starts getting weird, we'll deal with him then, but right now we need strong courageous warriors, not polite weenies like Schmuck.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    The mental gymnastics of purity tests for every candidate are going to be the downfall of American democracy.

    I understand distrust in politicians, but come on, this isn't a case of the lesser of two evils. It's a regular guy who is putting forth progressive policy ideas and a proven supporter of everything wrong with modern politics. Not to mention, Collins does almost nothing for her constituents anymore and is so out of touch it's absurd.

    Mainers fortunately don't care about the purity test nonsense.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Putting forward a candidate who went to Iraq to do mass murder for fun and telling people to vote for him is the downfall of American democracy.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    People are capable of change and recognizing their mistakes. I recommend you try it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    No no no you don't understand, who hasn't committed a little war crime and enjoyed it every now and then? And him calling the war criminals of fallujah "war heroes", well that's just freedom of speech; doesn't get much more american than that! And sure, he wants to expand the navy, but that's just so we can defend ourselves better in the middle east! And the nazi tattoo? Well come on now, boys will be boys ;)

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    I can't believe people would rather have Susan Collins over an imperfect progressive.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The elites are my enemy and they are doing everything to make sure he doesn't get elected. Voting literally costs you nothing. It seems obvious. Are the Platner haters even real people? Are they even from Maine?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago*

    There's not another option. Platner is incredibly popular - outfundraising the sitting democrat governor! - and vocally supports some progressive causes.

    Susan Collins has consistantly voted with our fascist regime while pretending she's a moderate. She needs to go.

    The effort and money the regime is focusing against Platner shows how much of a threat they see him as. He does need to win, and opponents of our fascist regime shouldn't be listening to the regime's attempts to defeat him.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s pretty amazing he can have so little come out against him, allegedly, that he was “physically threatening” (I.e. he never was physically abusive) and he had some raunchy texts and people even consider voting for the party of a felon and Epstein child rapists.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (14 children)

    Every time I get into it with one of these people online it goes exactly the same way:

    Them, acting like Nazis and pointing fingers: "Platner has NAZI tattoos!"

    Me: [pointing out that Platner is up against literal fascists, building concentration camps and filling them with immigrants; Hegseth has proven and unambiguous Nazi tats and acts like a Nazi; etc]

    Them: "But his tattoos! His TATTOOOOOOS!"

    It's all they have. And if they don't care about Hegseth's multiple Nazi/white nationalist tats, don't even have an answer for them, then why should I care about Platner's? Without the actual ideology behind it, it's just ink, and it's pretty clear that whatever Platner is, he's not an ideological Nazi, so I don't give a good goddamn how many tats Platner has.

    So now every time these motherfuckers start pearl-clutching about Platner, a voice reaches up from the past in my head and softly says,

    "I believe that the president has learned from this case. The president has been impeached. That’s a pretty big lesson.”

    That little voice never fails. Bless Susan Collins for that turd of wisdom she dropped back in 2020 as sufficient reason not to convict in the Senate impeachment trial, because that same stupid ass line is still ringing through the years. Trump did indeed learn his lesson: that Susan Collins would never act to lift a finger against him.

    I wouldn't vote for Mills, either. But Collins is not worthy of the office, nor of the great state that sent her. Maine can do better. I'd vote for Platner just because of Collins.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    People have a legitimate fear of electing another John Fetterman who will say everything right until they have the seat, then turn around and end up a Republican sleeper. That's not an entirely unfounded concern. Unfortunately, all we have to convince them otherwise is words, and the Democrat party doesn't exactly have a high degree of trust among people for the quality of their vetting right about now.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    The problem here is that whatever Platner is, Collins is actively working to destroy democracy in this country.

    Platner is unproven, but that is all he is.

    Collins, on the other hand, IS proven -- to be corrupt and working against the best interests of her constituents and this country.

    You did not actually directly address anything I said, you just tried to change the conversation back to "Platner bad" along with some spurious "we" claims. But there is NO "we" anywhere in what you said for me.

    And the direct reason for my absence in your assumed "we" -- I mean beside the fact that you personally are Canadian and not an American Democrat -- is Zohran Mamdani.

    Platner could be a Fetterman or a Sinema, true. But he could also be a Mamdani. And at the very fucking least he won't be a Collins.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not sure what you think you're proving by pointing out I'm Canadian. We all have a vested interest in making sure the Republicans get wiped out. If anything, the only role I do have in an American election is appealing to Americans not to put the lives and safety of my own people at risk by electing another Republican.

    Not being Collins isn't good enough to motivate people to support him. People need a reason to believe that his actions will match his words. Fetterman is also actively working to end democracy in the US. Whether he does it with a D or an R in front of his name is irrelevant. Mamdani won credibility by getting his hands dirty and putting actions on display to prove he wasn't just parroting rhetoric. If you want to convince people he's on the level, don't focus on attacking Collins, focus on telling people what he's done to back up his rhetoric.

    Oh and you might want to boost your own credibility by not copying and pasting AI slop. The em-dashes all over your post are a dead giveaway.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    Not being Collins isn’t good enough to motivate people to support him.

    Without Platner, all there is left is Collins, so yeah, it is. If you're so interesting in "wiping out" Republicans for "the lives and safety" of "your people" then why are you hitting against Platner? Have you forgotten that Collins is a Republican?

    As a first-time candidate for his office, Mamdani was unable to back up what he was talking about before the election, so your assertion, "Mamdani won credibility by getting his hands dirty and putting actions on display to prove he wasn’t just parroting rhetoric," is a demonstrable untruth. Graham Platner is also a first-time candidate.

    But it doesn't matter, because it's down to Collins and Platner now. If you like Trump and you like what he's done, definitely continue supporting Collins, because she always has supported the orange chancre and continues to do so.

    Oh and you might want to boost your own credibility by not copying and pasting AI slop. The em-dashes all over your post are a dead giveaway.

    I'm what AI trained on, lol. To boost your own credibility, you might want to look at the source of my comment. Go ahead, it's that little paper icon with the bent corner. These aren't em-dashes.

    And when you're done with that, take a look at my post history. I've been writing like this for decades, long before AI, and you could probably dig some of that up as well, if you're interested in more than just throwing out untruths and false accusations.

    And if you personally knew how to write, you'd see enough grammatical and punctuation errors to know that my prose never saw the inside of an LLM, lol.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If Platner is not demonstrably better than Collins, there is no point in voting at all the state is already a lost cause. Mamdani didn't have any policy achievements to show. There are 100,000 different ways to show that you practice what you preach.

    But keep screaming at people trying to help you. I'm sure that will win votes. Maybe you should sit this election out friend because you don't seem to even understand what you're fighting for anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Screaming? I think you need a mirror. Didn't you just switch your position on Mamdani and then accuse me of being AI, then call me friend, then tell me to sit out an election even as you claim to be appealing to Americans to vote out Republicans, and then say there is no point in voting at all because the state is already a lost cause?

    You must not have any idea how much we are bombarded with day in and day out from people pretending to be Americans, and here we are talking about American politics with you using an unqualified "we" then getting upset when it is pointed out -- and speaking like this:

    If anything, the only role I do have in an American election is appealing to Americans not to put the lives and safety of my own people at risk by electing another Republican.

    You personally have NO role in an American election, any more than I have a role in a Canadian election. If you cared at all about this you'd already know we got into this via foreign election manipulation, among other things, and a president openly working for Russia.

    You even insist you are "appealing to Americans" to vote out Republicans by concern-trolling the sole non-Republican who can win in that primary, and then doing it in English that sounds like you just stepped off the transporter in Star Trek: "the lives and safety of my own people."

    "The lives and safety of my own people," lol. What a strange "we" you have. And now you don't want us to vote at all:

    there is no point in voting at all the state is already a lost cause.

    What the hell are you even trying to say?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You personally have NO role in an American election, any more than I have a role in a Canadian election.

    That's never stopped you before. Your people are trying to manipulate one of our provinces into a separation referendum right now. It's awfully rich of you to start complaining now about foreign interference given that's been your country's primary MO world wide for over 100 years. Stop sending advertising up here demanding our vacation dollars and selling your useless products if that's your attitude. The governor of Maine seems very upset in their Canadian TV ads that we're not visiting, and doing everything in her power to convince us to come back, maybe you should tell her to mind her own business before you start telling us to mind ours.

    I said that if Platner turns out to be another Fetterman, than Maine is a lost cause. He would, in fact, be worse than Collins because he'd be living proof there is no viable alternative. You're getting a Republican either way, whether you vote D or R. We had both better hope that those warning signs are a tempest in a teapot, because if not then democracy is truly dead in that state. Hopefully that's clear enough for your American reading comprehension. I didn't change my position on Mamdani. I said his actions backed up his words. Did you look at any of his campaign ads? He didn't have any legislation to show his sincerity, so he worked hard to demonstrate that he was committed to building the community, to listening to the concerns and needs of the people he was running to represent, and show that he was committed to following through on his promises, even the ones that were going to be a hard sell. You want to make sure people vote for Platner, up-sell his community engagement. Or don't and keep telling everyone to piss off in every direction.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    That’s never stopped you before.

    It has always stopped me personally. I am speaking as a person of integrity to a person of none, as a non-AI individual representing myself as opposed to some soi-disant tool speaking for "the lives and safety of my own people," lol. What are you, Sacagawea?

    It's funny how the more I go back to what you actually wrote and what you demonstrably said (and I have screenshots too, lol) the angrier you get. Why is that? I didn't write your comments for you. I just read them.

    maybe you should tell her to mind her own business before you start telling us to mind ours.

    Lol. No. I am telling YOU, personally, to stop hiding behind a proud country and people you do NOT speak for, to propound overt dishonesties to support the exact candidate you say you don't want, in an election that you cannot and will not vote in, even as you alternate between telling me I that should or should not vote in my own.

    I am not my country, any more than I am fooled into thinking you are Canada -- and much less what you clearly wanted in the beginning, which was for your reader to believe that you are an American voter.

    And here you are, rewriting and reworking your positions yet again. You shift and twist with the slightest wind. Why? Why should I take you seriously, or even take your feigned concern seriously, when the things you assert aren't cohesive to start with nor even remain the same over four retellings?

    And tell me again: who's shouting? If my "American reading comprehension" is so inadequate, why do you think personal insults and historical anger and rage at the people in DC will make it better?

    Or to put it another way, if I scream at you personally for burning down the White House during the War of 1812, does that validate or invalidate anything else I say?

    Of course it does not -- but that is now what YOU are relying upon for authenticity. Lol.

    If I tell you to go scream at people in Ottowa (or even more uselessly at Chuckie the Third, lol) would that garner your respect? Be absolutely assured that you have garnered my own in exactly that fashion.

    For all my American reading comprehension, I had no problem spotting you as a poser and an angry liar who is now all kinds of upset that you got busted in your lies by someone that actually READ what you wrote. Take your Platner concern-trolling to someone who doesn't actually read.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Let me start by saying Fetterman is bad, and PA deserves better. But looking back on the election it still seems like the voters made the best choice available at the time.

    There are good reasons to be uncertain about Planter, but he seems unlikely to be quite as bad as the current situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    But looking back on the election it still seems like the voters made the best choice available at the time.

    And it was the choice because Fettermam won a primary.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely. Unfortunately, warnings of a candidate's issues may not show up until after a primary. Digging up dirt requires resources, and those can be hard to come by until a candidate is considered serious.

    At which point voters are locked into choosing between the two viable candidates (assuming first past the post, which I'd have to double check how much Maine fixed their voting).

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    Thank you. My point was to point out there are legitimate reasons to be concerned. A big problem is the "Best choice" of live hand grenades to drop down your pants is still not a great list of options. Fetterman is the worst of all worlds. A Republican wearing a D on his name tag undermines the credibility of the whole party, and quite frankly, the Democrats don't have a lot of credibility left to burn. Electing another Fetterman is worse than electing Collins because not only will you still not get the representation you deserve, but no one is going to believe your platform is worth the paper it's printed on next time either. That's the gamble here. If there's even the vaguest appearance of lack of commitment, people are going to just walk. "You don't have another option" isn't good enough for anyone anymore.

    So show that he lives by the principles he talks about. Elevate his community work, elevate his union work, give people a reason to believe he believes in what he's saying. And god help us all if he's the wrong pick because this is the absolute last shot. If the Democrats fail to get their house in order now, there won't be a "Next Time" to concern ourselves with as far as I can tell.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The policies that Platner is backing sure aren't scrutinized for the topic of discussion, that's for sure.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    That's because Platner's policies are what we really should be talking about: healthcare for all, union rights, actual representation in Congress, etc.

    Platner says a lot about Democrats never having actual policies that will put the money where the people are, and not just empty words like "We have to address affordability!" because that's not a policy, it's a marketing campaign.

    Platner's policies are exactly what they don't want us talking about, and why he shot ahead of Mills by some 40 points before she "suspended" her campaign at the end of April.

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    No question. At this point and after primaries I view anyone not fully onboard with getting rid of Republican congress by voting Dem as being complicit with or maga themselves.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's fucking surreal. Donald Trump is a rapist, who appears in the Epstein files thousands of times. He's on camera bragging about sexual assault. About this, apparently nobody gives a shit.

    Meanwhile a Democrat has some women come out of the woodwork saying he was kind of a mean drunk and yelled sometimes. And now America is going to pretend like couples don't fight. Oh me, oh my, this man once got into a passionate argument! Somebody find me a new set of pearls, because the ones I've been clutching have mysteriously turned to dust.

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