without stupid adblockblock https://archive.is/whZuI

also i wouldn't install their extension just for that, you can edit your default search engine to anu address you want in the settings

browser extensions are a huge privacy risk and i wouldn't trust ddg with my data because of their Microsoft deal, not to block their trackers (they reverted that part after the backlash) in the ddg browser and to only show msn under their news tab in regular ddg

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[–] 76 points 5 months ago (9 children)

would be great if it could also not show links to ai generated content websites

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Combo it with Ublock Origin and use their AI site blocklist.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I didn't see a list like that in the Ublock Origin settings. Is it an importable list and do you have a link?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    It's built in the filters list, under Annoyances>Huge AI Blocklist. There's two different ones (the larger "nuclear variant" might slow down search a bit).

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. Firefox says uBO is already updated. image

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Here's the direct home link, although it's built into the list on my Waterfox and IronWolf installs.

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago

    My only gripe is its not default. I use many different devices and to set it on each one is annoying.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I find that "no AI" DDG still has way more AI-generated images than default Google, sadly. And there's no before: operator as an alternative to filter them out, either.

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    What makes me suspect them having an agenda behind all their self-marketing is the fact that this isn't already the default page...

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    DuckDuckGo gains traffic not because it somehow gotten better recently.

    Google entered heavy enshittification stage and honestly... it's sad to watch.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I honestly can't find anything on google anymore. I barely use it at all, but sometimes someone will hand me their phone, so I'll give it a shot. I always end up switching to ddg before I find what I'm looking for.

    There might be a way to use google search these days but its apparently beyond my desire/skills to learn it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Google entered heavy enshittification stage and honestly… it’s sad to watch.

    google has been in heavy enshittification for going on a decade now.

    Honestly you could make the argument that its been on the enshittification slide since they tried to expand out from just being a search engine company.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There are also lite and html versions:

    Neither has AI enabled.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    It really sucks that to escape Google, the second in line that is "more private" is DDG and based in the US. So that means they have to abide to the american privacy invading "patriot" laws etc.

    I wish we had a good European alternative that doesn't have to comply to the NSA when they want direct access to logs while giving you a gag order...

    And I know searx-ng but last time I tried it wasn't good enough imo.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Qwant is French. Not a privacy search engine and looks like it features AI now. Kagi is really good, but US based and expensive. I think most of Europe does intelligence sharing with the US ("14 eyes" or something like that)?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah I used Qwant for 2/3 years. It wasn't really good either. I was constantly calling google through Qwant so it became pointless.

    I think Switzerland would probably be a good place to host a search engine.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    why are you thinking switzerland?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If I recall correctly they have strong privacy laws and the fact that they are not part of the EU can also help with some extra sovereignty I guess.

    It's also where protonmail is hosted.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Proton are building a walled garden though. Trying to export and migrate from it is hell. I much rather have common imap/smtp and setting up pgp keys myself. That way I can easily import my local backup to a new provider if the need rises.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Proton is using that as a marketing gimmick. Swiss banking secrecy laws have absolutely nothing to do with user privacy outside of that.

    Proton has complied with and handed over user data on multiple occasions.

    Yes there is encryption and they can't see things, but they will hand over what metadata (IP address, device info, recovery email, payment data) they have whenever a Swiss court compels them too.

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    Having trouble adding this as the default search in Firefox.

    Anybody know the search query needed to use this from the address bar?

    https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite/q=%s

    Does not seem to work.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    It uses a Form Post - I recommend navigating to the DDG Lite site, right click on your search bar (you might have to add it if you removed it by using "Costumize Toolbar"), and select to add it. Edit: just realized ithis also works in the address bar, no fiddling around needed. Edit2: But it does not work consistently - the search bar variant always works.

    kCrIF7n3sMJTdDG.png

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Qwant and Kagi are also pretty solid search engines if people are looking for more alternatives.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I switched to MetaGer long ago. No AI bullshit, no trackers, no ads, you pay a pittance per search to cover the costs of your search. I started using it 8 months ago and i still haven't used up the 10€ i charged my account with. They are run by a non-profit, and it's FOSS under AGPL3.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Does it work as well as Google before it became absolute shit?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Per default it uses Brave's index, Mojeek's index and Google's Index via Serper. You can switch off whatever index you do not want. It also respects quotes and +/- in searches. There are no sponsored search results. You can open pages using their anonymous proxy when clicking "Open Anonymously". This is a Screenshot of a search using Brave and Google's Index.

    36JfFFsNMQvBMoy.png

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, i thought they had their own index, then i guess that a local SearXNG instance with a proxy will do...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They don't have their own index, but they implement a whole lot of other indexes (Scopia, Yahoo, Bing, Wikis, YaCy, Netluchs, Exalead, Yandex, Die ZEIT, OneNewspage, Infotiger). The 3 big indexes are the ones that charge metager for providing search results, and those costs are what you pay for, and since it's a non-profit (https://suma-ev.de/), the costs are close to what you would pay if you had access to API pricing.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Searxng, a metasearch engine, and better, self hosted in a container. Easy, searches a stupid amount of engines, 100% private.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why have an extension for this?

    On Firefox (desktop and mobile) you can easily add it as your default search engine. It can be done in Vivaldi too (not sure if its a chrome default or Vivaldi addition).

    They could just have a 1 paragraph guide telling you how to do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have found duck to be slow in general lately for some reason, has anyone tried waterfox search for private serach?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Not seeing any adblockblock, do you have all of the annoyances filters enabled in uBO?

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    Oh yeah, sounds like what they said before other search engines went to shit. Its right there.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah you should probably look into their recent history before you say things like that.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I guess the AI results that only started popping up recently on my duckduckgo are just my lack of skill. And no, I don't care to change settings at this time I am still using duckduckgo for my search engine. Just stop with the product bullshit, there is clearly AI used at duckduckgo at an ever increasing rate.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Nope. I don't get any AI results and I've changed no settings. They used to be AI in DuckDuckGo everyone complained about it and they took it out. And this is using a VPN set to Canada so it should be the same results as you're getting. If I want AI have to click the assistive search button in the top right. Which I can see clearly is highlighted in your screenshot meaning you probably clicked it at some point and you need to unclick it.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you are really that bothered by it:

    .ai-searchbox_modeSelectorWrapper__GA6Ii, .header_aiChatButton__HbhQV {display: none !important;}
    

    OR use SearXNG.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I've noticed that ddg is now way slower than a couple of weeks ago...

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Brave Search is really good too and you can also turn off the AI search aspect.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry buddy, you ain't getting no respect for anything Brave

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Brave does a lot of great things, actually.

    I work in anti-fraud and it's really the only browser that at least tries to resist fingerprinting. Every other browser either refuses to protect its users (Chrome, Firefox) or has no market share to contest against privacy invasion (i.e. you'll get infinite captchas) so Brave is doing a lot of good things despite the problematic relationship with crypto.

    You can also get Brave Origin which has all the crypto and AI stuff removed.

    That being said even Brave didn't have enough mass to fully protect against fingerprinting and sadly removed their "strict mode" year or two ago due to constant cloudflare/captcha breaks. The standard mode is still lightyears ahead of chrome and firefox though.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    LibreWolf seems to be pretty obsessed about privacy, is non-chromium, originates from Europe and is FOSS.

    I'd say it's pretty competitive

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    LibreWolf is great!

    When I said competitive I meant in sense of mass of users. It's easy to ignore 10 LibreWolf users who can't connect to your website due to Cloudflare spyware but much harder to ignore 10,000 Brave users.

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    They should just make it the default and add a subdomain for AI instead.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    Yeah, although "no ai" is the real differentiator from the competition so it makes sense for them to keep it now it's taking off.

    What they really need to do is add a much easier way to find "no ai" from the main home page, as at the moment you wouldn't know it exists. You can toggle duck ai off, but it doesn't make it clear you're now seeing the no ai version.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    While great, I still find myself weeding through tons of gen-AI slop website results during most of my general searches. The only thing I’ve found that helps with it is setting the date range to an end date before the advent of AI

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