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[–] 78 points 5 months ago (5 children)

One notable exception: temperature ranges for electronics. The electronics may be shit, but they will still work when the soldier is an ice popsicle or a roasted piece of meat.

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  • [–] 100 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    The cheapest possible product that meets the requirements.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    As opposed to the vast majority of consumer products?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Exactly the point. Military grade means nothing in regard to its actual quality. It's just another inane marketing tactic.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It actually does mean something, most of the contracts for anything you can buy surplus are now public. So you can look up that exact specs the military required and can be ensured you're getting that.

    Consumer specs can often times be buzzwords or misleading.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    It means something in regard to military contracts, though it's still the bare minimum. For consumer products, though? No. There's no law, as far as I know, against 'misuse' of the term. That means companies can freely market their consumer products as military grade, even if it wouldn't actually meet the specs. Nevermind the fact that it's misleading. They know people see 'military grade' and think that it's top quality, despite that not actually being the case.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately in this case meets requirements just means it ticks a box. The meme is talking about people thinking military grade is top of the line. Like how the cheapest tire you can buy is legal and meets regulations, but it doesn’t mean it’s good.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The same way building contractors advertise their work with “everything built to code”. Yeah, building code is the bare minimum requirement for something to be legally put on the market. Building to code isn’t a brag. It’s saying “we do everything as cheaply as possible. If we cut any more corners, the house would literally be illegal to sell.”

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It depends on how well you specified the requirements. Like not leaving out things you might consider obvious. Eg if you're specifying a sight that includes a range scale, make sure you include that the ranges should be calibrated such that calibrating it at one range will make it accurate at the others instead of just adding random lines and numbers that look like it shows correct range dropoff, and that the ranges correspond to the ammunition that will be fired instead of just copy/pasting from a .22 range sight.

    Think of it like making a wish from a genie (folklore genie, not disney).

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I review bids for government frequently. The requirement is to accept the lowest bid that meets all the requirements. The thing is, if the requirements aren't written well, it can be a very, very bad deal.

    For instance we bid out for a janitorial contract where the bid did not include refilling cleaner bottles from the dispenser in the janitorial closet, so we had to accept a bid where that wasn't included, and they charged us $60 every time they topped off the bottles.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    "lowest bidder and manufactured as shittily as possible without violating the contract" doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    So exactly like every commercial product ever?

    At least mimitary grade has a contract with defined specs they need to deliver. Commercial doesn't even have that.

    So yeah, military grade may suck, but it is still a lot better than the normal shit they sell to the public.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Absolutely not, take AR triggers for example. The shit they ship with palmetto state builds is "military grade" (read mil-spec) and functional, but is garbage compared to something like a geissele SSAE, or a trigger tech.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Which is the point. It's not good, it meets the spec.

    Sometimes the spec means it's overbuilt compared to a civilian version. A lot of the time someone not-the-government is willing to pay more for different features than the spec.

    An AR trigger going to a 19 year old just out of basic does not need to be match quality. Most of them suck as marksmen. Most of them will rarely shoot a rifle after basic because their MOS doesn't require it, and they don't need a good (read: more expensive) trigger to qualify for basic competence.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    COUGH F-35 RAPTOR COUGH

    Quite the embezzlement.

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  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago

    As someone who works in defence & surveillance as a systems engineer (so by every measure a civilian), I'm still the one on the right... military grade hardware is a fucking nightmare to integrate into larger systems.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    While waiting in line for rollercoasters, my dad used to loudly talk at my mom about how "it's amazing when you think about how these things are built by the lowest bidder," etc...

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I mean he's not wrong, but the list of contractors capable of building roller coasters is very short and pretty well regulated. It's not like Joe Shmoe from down the street is rolling steel forms.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    He just liked messing with the people in line who took the bait.

    "...wait, what do you mean?"

    "Well, think about it. When they decide who's going to build it, they're not going to pay more than necessary. They'll pay as little as possible. I was looking at those bolts up there..."

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Green paint will be extra $2000.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I saw "military grade" phone screen protectors at the charity shop today (made me lol), so this is quite timely!

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    How the bots aggregate upvotes that are likely veterans.

    Lemmy is public, y'all. Be careful.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What perceived risk are you trying to imply?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That since voting is public, profiles which tend to upvote posts about the military greater than average would be doxxing themselves a bit, even if not commenting.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ah you’re one of those “I’m a soldier so everything in life is always a threat to me” kind of people.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm a privacy advocate.

    The exact same thing can be done with femcel memes or Pride Month posts for people who live in a county where equality is illegal. Or anything not glowingly in love with ICE.

    Anyone here that pings a probable for military that also likes a few .ml socialist posts, or femcel memes, or pride month posts, would instantly get put on a watch list.

    If you've never watched police gladly and publicly hunt someone down because of a single picture on Facebook, then you don't understand how quickly someone can become a target of state harassment.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Really depends on what you want and expect. "Military Grade" or real military surplus? I've been happy with my diesel generator and the jerry cans are definitely better then civilian stuff. I managed to get a military surplus 6.2L diesel engine for a engine swap, which has a few advantages over the civilian version. Water proof, steel ammo cans are definitely plastic shoe boxes from walmart.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure about US but UK Surplus clothing is the best. I have tropic trousers and they're not only super comfortable, they're the most practical with insane amount of pockets and will survive whatever i do in them.... and they cost 1/4 of a store brand jeans.

    Tops are also super cheap but you can get away with camo pants, camo long sleeves makes you stand out. But the bug repellant treated tops are awesome in the summer.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Veritasium(?) has a video about jerry cans that boils down to "Surprise! The Germans over-engineered the crap out of these!" and how most modern ones aren't as good because its significantly cheaper to make ones that just look similar.

    Still better than the plastic ones usually but you kind of have to hunt for the older style at this point to get the best of the best.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    These are the types I use. I've get them at swap meets used. They use 2in fnpt thread and have a vent that covered by the cap. I have a home made spout made from pvc bushing, a steel hose barb and about 18inchs of pvc hose. These are "new" style, but very thick plastic and very simple. No overengineered vents and valves to break.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why are they making a 3rd movie? Pixar needs to stop.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    It's not Pixar, it's Disney.

    Pixar got its animation start when John Lasseter got fired from Disney for promoting CG animation over the traditional hand-drawn animation. He moved over to the Lucasfilm CG studio, which was later renamed "Pixar."

    Through Pixar (after Steve Jobs bought it from George Lucas), Lasseter and his team proceeded to not only revolutionize CG animation, but to create incredible unique stories with it. They were seen as a real competitor to Disney for a while. They only started making sequels when they started collaborating with Disney.

    Eventually, Disney realized the money to be made from CG animation, so they bought out Pixar. Now it's a Disney product and their ideas are bankrupt once again. We don't get original stories anymore, just a bunch of unnecessary sequels and garbage films that were probably written by AI.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I was informed that woobies and silkies both used to be very nice military grade gear.

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