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[–] 229 points 5 months ago (30 children)

Well the gas would be cheaper if they could somehow make it contain advertising and data theft

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  • [–] 110 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    Oh wait till you find out about how modern cars are mining your data, including facial recognition and reporting of you are having sex in the car! And the best part it’s all unregulated! Govt can simply buy the info for tracking even your Phone would be jealous of!

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Never been happier to have a base model car from 2012

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Never been happier to have a car that can't even be sold in the US because it can't connect to any form of network.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I love it when the government finds out when I have sex. It's so romantic – just me, her, and the CIA.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It depends, if it out of the country it’s you, her, and the CIA, if it’s inside the US, it’s you, her, and the NSA

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    As someone who makes that software that does this, we can't even figure out how to properly handle the data we actually want, like analytics to see if anyone actually uses the auto feature on your air conditioner. Nobody actually cares if you have sex in your car. Besides you're on Lemmy we know your aren't having sex.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Where in America do you have gas pumps that don’t have ad TVs or ask you for your zip code?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Very few of the ones around me have the built in ad players. Several stations blare ads (inevitably largely for themselves, curiously enough) over the PA system constantly, though.

    The ZIP code thing is for credit card verification. I ask for that too, when you pay me by credit card. I don't have a choice unless I'd like to enjoy zero fraud and chargeback protection.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The gas station nearest me has screens that show ads, but they're just for that facility and they don't have audio. However, the store does have a PA system constantly playing audio, a combination of music and ads.

    My favorite ad is the one that advertises themselves to advertisers. I don't remember the exact wording, but it's basically "want to advertise something? We've essentially got a captive audience and there are a lot of them!"

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    You don't get ads on your gas pump?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    They don't exist in my country, and to be frank, I'm shocked the ones in the US aren't vandalised to hell and back by masked vigilantes at night.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    The screen used for blaring ads is the same screen that you have to read to be able to use the pump.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Show ads on the screen -> screen is vandalised -> nobody can buy gas anymore -> people go to the gas station without ads (and thereby functioning screens) -> lose money to the competition-> recognise that you lose money by blaring ads -> stop blaring ads -> .... -> profit

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Ohh that is a great idea. We can put different markers in different brands and then detect those markers in a customer's breath to tell what brand they are using on the fly.

    Then when you develop cancer from exposure we can use this information to market other brands. After all, why would you use Shell gas if it gave you cancer when you could use Exxon instead.

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    • [–] 64 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    Why is your fuel so cheap??

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because the US is the largest exporter of petroleum products in the world.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Norway exports far more than they use, and petrol prices there are among the highest in the world.

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    That is a policy decision. In places like Saudi Arabia, gas is cheaper than water.

    Norway, correctly, invested more into public transit and EVs, and high gas prices encourage that.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    In places like Saudi Arabia, gas is cheaper than water.

    Because it's a fucking desert surrounded by salt water. Desalination is expensive.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Its a matter of abundance and where the government decides that abundance can go. Desal is expensive, but you have all the energy you need to power it flowing out of the ground, the cost is somewhat defrayed.

    The Gulf states chose to hoard the wealth at the top and build major hubs without reliable public transit. Which is reflective of a policy decision. Its also a matter of what refineries are where and what grade of oil they will process.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    There was a Planet Money episode that broke down where the $4/gallon went in 2022:

    $2.40 for the price of crude oil when priced at $100/barrel.

    $0.65 to the refiner that turns crude oil into gasoline (this was the prevailing spread in 2022, maybe different now).

    $0.184 in federal taxes

    $0.30 in state taxes

    $0.20 to $0.50 for transportation from the refiner to the actual retail station.

    Remainder is for the retailer (usually about $0.30 but fluctuates wildly).

    That's how it is in the U.S. In other countries, it might be higher taxes, higher cost of refining, higher costs of transportation from the refiner, and higher margins for the retailer.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I was thinking that. Hot fuck is that cheap.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Probably before VAT.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Nope. Gas pumps are one of the only places in the US where the price as displayed includes taxes.

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    • [–] 58 points 5 months ago (34 children)

    How have TVs gotten so cheap. It's gotta be shit.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They stopped making them out of gasoline.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm guessing it's all advertising deals and spyware. Oh, and the TV is still shit.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yea, TVs are all β€œSmart” now. But they don’t have any truly new or useful features, they just record your conversations and transmit occurrences of keywords as β€œusage and diagnostic” data. I guess now they can use wifi to do occupancy scans of your house too, so that’s fun. Oh and they use Bluetooth to scan for nearby devices that are willing to cooperate in case you don’t put them on the LAN and they transmit that way.

    Anyway, TNG has left Netflix. Can you fucking believe it?

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    Nearly all tvs are smart tvs that make money with showing ads and selling data. Any loss on the hardware is made up on selling customer data and ad space. The tvs would be amazing if they didn't come with smart features.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Is there any way to lobotomize these smart TVs? Even the specs on a cheaper mid-range would blow my current dinosaur out of the water

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Don't connect them to the internet.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    True, I'll probably end up going that route when this one dies (assuming they don't all require sign in and heartbeats at that point)

    Was hoping for something like a FOSS OS just for the convenience of keeping jellyfin up to date and cleaning up the useless baked in apps.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Never connect them to the internet

    You want your favorite streaming service on there? Get an older (used office) PC, load it up with (your prefered flavor of) Linux, get a bluetooth keyboard mouse combo, hook it up to your HDMI port, and go ham.

    Some TVs even let you turn them on directly to a specific HDMI port for a bonus fun time of never having to see the TVs menu.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Not really, the smarts are integrated into the control circuitry. You can't bypass them and turn them into simple, dumb displays.

    Depending on the model, you can block the TV from the internet and leave it on set to one of the inputs and the smarts bits won't bother you again. Other ones are more intrusive and pushy about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    They externalize their true cost to the environment and laborers.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    TVs are made from components that are made through almost entirely automated processes at such large scales that the underlying raw material and cost of shipping become the main driver of cost. Paradoxically, that means that TVs that have gotten thinner and lighter use less material and therefore have a lower floor of how little it can cost.

    Once a production line is set up to make the components, each additional one produced costs very little, so making high volume runs is the key: lots of shared parts between brands and models, very long production runs to minimize the cost of redesign or retooling or downtime.

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  • [+] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    TVs wereΒ alwaysΒ cheap compared to cost to make the things - it's not just the "oh, they have advertising now" thing.

    Yes, and the cost of making them keeps dropping. When you were selling TVs in 1991, a 30 inch TV cost about $500 in 1991 dollars. The technology back then just basically made it complex and labor intensive to manufacture, and they were so heavy that it actually took significant number of human labor hours just to get it from factory to store to the specific store's display. Merely putting a 30 inch TV in the window of a store was probably a 2-man lift.

    Whereas today it's a bunch of robots in cleanrooms automating production of high volumes of solid state LCD components to where full color displays can be put in cheap appliances, and finished 30 inch TVs being thin and light enough to be moved with one hand while sipping a coffee with the other.

    I'm not surprised it's much cheaper today, even a tiny fraction of the time period you're talking about, even when back then they were selling at a loss.

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    • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    TV is cheap because you are the product. CEOs want you to see their ads, their propaganda.

    Gas is expensive because they have not yet found a way to stop car-owner from leaving the sofa in front of TV

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Tvs are cheap because manufacturing costs came down. They were cheap before they were smart

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Both are true. Manufacturing costs went down significantly, but non-smart TVs are now more expensive than equivalent smart TVs by over $100 from what I have seen.

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