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[–] 113 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Can we please have the bubble burst before the IPO?

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Lol, are you poor or something?

    There is so much money sucked into that black hole, that it needs to siphon it from the retirement funds and poors investments.

    Banks are not going to be holding the bag, my friend.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah it’s all a scam. They need the money not just from pension plans but from all the people who are in 401Ks to make this work. Hence the rule changes allowing it to skip the standard wait times and profitability metrics to be listed as part of the be part of the top indexes so that most popular ETFs that make up most 401k funds will be required to carry them.

    It’s all a fucking scam to get other little guys money.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Having retirements as hostage is one of the worst things in our society right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I agree this market seems over bought. We are already seeing lower breath in the market and all of these trillion dollar IPOs are going to suck the liquidity out of the market making it worse.

    I’ve sold almost everything and I’m sitting in bonds at least until the EOY or if there is a major correction.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I want to make sure that the schmucks who financed this abomination in the first place pay dearly for it, rather than fleecing the subsequent hapless small investors and the rest of society who don't understand and will buy into the hype.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The IPO means they'll be listed in things like the S&P 500 which means they'll get automatic investment from our pension funds and the like.

    Someone needs to do the needful.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Meanwhile musk is racing to do his huge IPO to suck up all investor cash before Altman can get to it. They're all trying to cash in before the bubble pops, so the damage will be done and it'll be painful.

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  • [–] 72 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Just when you think the geriatric generational 1% are about to pass away and leave the world to younger, more sensible, caring people who want to help the earth heal, arseholes like these guys come along just to ensure we're all fucked for another 50 years.

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  • [–] 57 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    The insane thing is that we humans just can't not listen to what those kind of people say.

    They are professional liars.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    The insane thing is that we humans just can’t not listen to what those kind of people say.

    I've always wondered that too. If everybody knows someone is lying, why do we have to keep going along with it?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    For one thing I think record keeping.

    Like. Part of the problem is he's lying to investors. He hasn't ever really cared about what the general public thinks except if it affects what investors think of his product. And it's important to keep records of what he (and the others like him) says because eventually investors will want to sue (which is the only comeuppance these types ever get) if he doesn't make good on his lies.

    Keeping track of the lies proves that he did lie. Doesn't do any of us any good if investors believe him and he manages to make a deal with them to sweep the lies under the rug in exchange for something that's short term lucrative. But that's why.

    The general masses just need drama as far as I can tell. Hate sells. Well, that and I think people like him want to keep people like us afraid so we're more controllable.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    I think part of the problem is they know a lot people want life and entertainment to be the same thing, so they can sell scifi as reality and it's a sure way to get tithes from the faithful.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    It's not just about AI, though. This is just an incredibly common phenomenon.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..."

    The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    ...

    We don't have the same kind of country you have.

    "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers.

    I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling.

    Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas.

    If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all.

    I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been.

    You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO).

    It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now

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    Yeah, Sam Altman ran this ponze scheme all the way to Asia and the Middle East looking for investors and nobody would bite.

    Theres no chance a bunch of people with an average of $5k savings each can turn this around for him.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Panic mode is still a few years away. Just wait, it gets pretty wild. Not fun wild, but it does get simultaneously violent & weird.

    Nothing like Terminator. More like teenage boys throwing controllers; only we & our beautiful planet are the gamepad being smashed against the drywall.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Hopefully we learn about our collective power before it comes to that, but who am I kidding...

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Just keep caring. Stay informed. Collect books and uncorrupted data. Spread the word. Be good.

    That way, when inevitably this all goes wrong (as it always does), we have plenty of backup data for whatever eventually finds our remains ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Man, I'm pretty sure Local LLMs getting better and more efficient would be one of the reasons why the bubble's gonna burst. It's still very technical, though.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean seriously, just try ollama with lfm2 on a macbook with the current NPU.. Why the fuck would I pay these clowns to run that process elsewhere? Why would I pay for model access when they've plateaued and open/free models are everywhere?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Ofcourse they are walking it back. Mass layoffs lead to mass unemployment, which triggers economic downturn. Investing in that is like chickens for KFC.

    I've no idea what the future holds but I'm sure as shit not listening to a word they say.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    These fucking snake oil salesmen, I'm so fucking sick and tired of seeing their fucking faces and their fucking doom prophecies

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Can't wait to short-sell the stuff!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I can't shake the snake oil feeling of all of this

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    if thiel is abandoning his boy-puppet for argentina, then you know shit has hit the fan already.

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Turns out selling the idea to the world was unpopular and they can just say it behind closed doors at parties now and laugh about the poors getting poorer in their nearly finished bunkers now. The word is out to capitalist major players already, time to just rebrand ai and try to sell it to the regular guy. Not sure they can manage that sale - it’s very unpopular and despite what they think, most people aren’t morons, they see what’s coming.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    How do you trust that which has no credibility? Only a fool would.

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