▲ 315 ▼ Sam Altman and Dario Amodei are both walking back their AI jobs apocalypse prophecies as they eye blockbuster IPOs (fortune.com) submitted 5 months ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 51 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 5 months ago (17 children) The insane thing is that we humans just can't not listen to what those kind of people say. They are professional liars. permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 14 points 5 months ago (16 children) The insane thing is that we humans just can’t not listen to what those kind of people say. I've always wondered that too. If everybody knows someone is lying, why do we have to keep going along with it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) For one thing I think record keeping. Like. Part of the problem is he's lying to investors. He hasn't ever really cared about what the general public thinks except if it affects what investors think of his product. And it's important to keep records of what he (and the others like him) says because eventually investors will want to sue (which is the only comeuppance these types ever get) if he doesn't make good on his lies. Keeping track of the lies proves that he did lie. Doesn't do any of us any good if investors believe him and he manages to make a deal with them to sweep the lies under the rug in exchange for something that's short term lucrative. But that's why. The general masses just need drama as far as I can tell. Hate sells. Well, that and I think people like him want to keep people like us afraid so we're more controllable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 5 points 5 months ago Well we've got to keep a record, but we don't have to go along with it! When Altman says "ai is gonna be smarter than people" we can just say "no it won't buddy" and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago* (13 children) I think part of the problem is they know a lot people want life and entertainment to be the same thing, so they can sell scifi as reality and it's a sure way to get tithes from the faithful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) It's not just about AI, though. This is just an incredibly common phenomenon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children) For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 14 points 5 months ago (16 children) The insane thing is that we humans just can’t not listen to what those kind of people say. I've always wondered that too. If everybody knows someone is lying, why do we have to keep going along with it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) For one thing I think record keeping. Like. Part of the problem is he's lying to investors. He hasn't ever really cared about what the general public thinks except if it affects what investors think of his product. And it's important to keep records of what he (and the others like him) says because eventually investors will want to sue (which is the only comeuppance these types ever get) if he doesn't make good on his lies. Keeping track of the lies proves that he did lie. Doesn't do any of us any good if investors believe him and he manages to make a deal with them to sweep the lies under the rug in exchange for something that's short term lucrative. But that's why. The general masses just need drama as far as I can tell. Hate sells. Well, that and I think people like him want to keep people like us afraid so we're more controllable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 5 points 5 months ago Well we've got to keep a record, but we don't have to go along with it! When Altman says "ai is gonna be smarter than people" we can just say "no it won't buddy" and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago* (13 children) I think part of the problem is they know a lot people want life and entertainment to be the same thing, so they can sell scifi as reality and it's a sure way to get tithes from the faithful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) It's not just about AI, though. This is just an incredibly common phenomenon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children) For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) For one thing I think record keeping. Like. Part of the problem is he's lying to investors. He hasn't ever really cared about what the general public thinks except if it affects what investors think of his product. And it's important to keep records of what he (and the others like him) says because eventually investors will want to sue (which is the only comeuppance these types ever get) if he doesn't make good on his lies. Keeping track of the lies proves that he did lie. Doesn't do any of us any good if investors believe him and he manages to make a deal with them to sweep the lies under the rug in exchange for something that's short term lucrative. But that's why. The general masses just need drama as far as I can tell. Hate sells. Well, that and I think people like him want to keep people like us afraid so we're more controllable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 5 points 5 months ago Well we've got to keep a record, but we don't have to go along with it! When Altman says "ai is gonna be smarter than people" we can just say "no it won't buddy" and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 5 points 5 months ago Well we've got to keep a record, but we don't have to go along with it! When Altman says "ai is gonna be smarter than people" we can just say "no it won't buddy" and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago* (13 children) I think part of the problem is they know a lot people want life and entertainment to be the same thing, so they can sell scifi as reality and it's a sure way to get tithes from the faithful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) It's not just about AI, though. This is just an incredibly common phenomenon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children) For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 10 points 5 months ago (12 children) It's not just about AI, though. This is just an incredibly common phenomenon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children) For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* (11 children) For sure, it's Elon's whole thing. Look at Star Citizen, same thing. Blur the lines between what's achievable and what seems feasible and say you need people's money to make th dream work. Money go brrrrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Or the Kremlin, or Trump, or ... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't know if that's a good example, in the US everyone reflexively hates and makes fun of the president no matter who it is. Everything the government says is always considered bullshit no matter what. But for some reason this doesn't apply to CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (8 children) -"Trump indicated that the tariffs are going to make the economy ...", "Trump just stated on trut social that the Iran deal ..." The media sure do listen to your presidents ramblings and social media posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (7 children) ... We don't have the same kind of country you have. "The media" is owned by our elite. It is in no way reflective of the average person's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (6 children) Not even youtubers and the like? I mean only the very old watch tv nowadays. In "my" country at least 😨! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago (5 children) .... yeah dude. Yeah. Even youtubers. I am absolutely amazed by your thought process but I'm not going to waste my time reeling. Yes, youtubers get paid by superpacs and shit like that. Yes youtubers get anonymous donations. Yes youtubers have political agendas. If you're American and can afford all the equipment for Youtube, you come from a rich family or you have a sponsor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (4 children) I made a couple of youtubes once, cost me a microphone for maybe 50€ because I wanted a cordless one for other uses, but a 20€ one would totally do it too. Then mounted it in some FOSS app and upload it for free... Not expensive at all. I don't know why you're so confused, and condescending? There are loads of youtubers that live off youtube, so you have to learn to cut through the bullshit, but they convey real information, that yes you have to stitch together yourself, knowing it's not perfect. Ukrainian youtubers have their bias, americans theirs etc. There is not a one information pool to get it all from, never have been. You sound like you only have experience with usa tv and joe rogan like youtubers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children) Sure there are many youtubers who can start out small and scale up, but scaling up involves making those connections I was talking about before. You're eventually going to get approached by sponsors. If your channel discusses political topics, you will probably be contacted by people who want to advertise within those topics. The average person cannot achieve the production quality that the bigger channels can. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Sure, but then it's time to dump that person/channel. Or decide it's okay and try to "think" around it (say a video game channel will be pushing hardware and games, not that life-changing IMO). It can be difficult, but there are "good" people doing their best, and what choice do we have? Discuss, cross check, look out for all types of patterns... Not easy when the Kremlin (and others ofc) has a big budget... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) A few content creators and independent news organizations I used to follow turned out to be funded by Russia, so I’m a lot more skeptical now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, and even without the bad actors you can feel the need for monetisation fucking things up. It's a neverending whack a mole game . Stay safe stay sane as they say! permalink fedilink source parent