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[–] 7 points 5 months ago

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Mozilla:

[Flo] proved themselves rather untrustworthy when they got called out by the Federal Trade Commision in 2021 for the sharing sensitive health information of their users with advertising and marketing companies, including the likes of Facebook and Google, after promising not to.

Bureau of Investigative Journalism:

eight women discovered their most private health information – details about menstruation, ovulation, pregnancy attempts and sexual health – had been “surreptitiously transmitting” to Meta through a hidden tracking tool embedded in the app.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    You have Drip listed only under iOS; but it's available in Android too (Play store and F-Droid)

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    [–] 34 points 5 months ago

    PrivacyGuides has a section about this on their website: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/health-and-wellness/#menstrual-cycle-tracking

    At the time of writing, it seems Drip is the best option on both iOS and Android. The app is free, open-source, and all data is completely local. Honorable mention to Euki as well

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Drip is also on Android, available both as an APK and on the Google Play store.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And on fdroid. It's fully offline AFAIK.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, completely on device. I happen to personally know one of the maintainers and got to discuss some of the code with her. Also completely open source, so if you don’t trust the packaged apps, you could even build it yourself from source

    https://gitlab.com/bloodyhealth/drip

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  • [–] 59 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Here's what you should use: a calendar and a pen.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago*

    Yup, exactly. Nothing digital is truly safe. You want to properly avoid having your data secretly subpoenaed? Use a fucking journal or planner, and just mark your period days with a different colored pen, or put a raindrop in the corner and say it was days you personally predicted it to rain. Turns out, your tarot cards are just really bad at predicting the weather.

    You could be open about it, and use it to track symptoms, calculate days between cycles, etc… But the more detailed you make it, the more obvious it will be if someone else gets ahold of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    And make sure to lock it in a safe and burn it when you're done with it. Also don't share with your health Care provider without vetting them, and ensuring they aren't recording and disclosing your information. Or using AI. Good luck, essentially impossible to get good health Care for women, same as it ever was.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Your car has electronics, you should use a horse instead.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Way ahead of ya, I ride a bike (••) ( ••)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    +1 for the glasses

    I also ride a bike, but a bike can't beat a car when you buy a new bed.
    I really want to see a bike that could.

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  • [+] -23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Hi! Woman here and that guy is correct. Tracking your cycle on paper is far safer than any app ever could be. These apps are not safe for your personal data.

    I’ve been tracking in my paper planner for the last few years and I haven’t had to worry about any of these apps or companies getting my data. I track PMS symptoms, start and end times, amount of flow, and more. I can take my planner to the doctor to discuss any issues that may come up.

    Calendars, bullet journals, and graph paper are the best ways to track periods.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Euki is also on Android.
    It only stores local, so as safe as a phone app can be.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Digital period tracking in an age where abortion is under attack is a recipe for some dystopian handmaid type shit. I'll continue to track on a paper calendar I can easily incinerate.

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    P Tracker is the one used by my SO

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Nothing, you should never use an app to track your period. Use a calendar there is no reason you should give that sort of info to anyone besides a doctor.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The reason is to get a notification it's coming. The reason is because I'm so fried surviving, I don't have the mental energy to spend on calculating the due date and then changing it by a day due to trends I'd also have to track. I barely remember to log it in an app, there's no way I'm logging it on a calendar, and then keeping track of that paper for multiple months or years to track trends. bleeding through my pants at work is worse to me than the spyware. Being a woman is hard enough. Blame the Spyware, not the women.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Or understand the difference between software that mines data and software that just does what it says. If it advertises cloud features, then it's probably a data mining app. There's firewall apps that make any other app need permission to use the internet at all that you can use as a gatekeeper, but then you need to adopt the mindset of wondering why an app wants internet access instead of just clicking "allow" so that things work asap.

    But yeah, pen and paper or even a spreadsheet not dedicated to tracking periods are good options if you want to avoid worrying about all that. Only thing I'll add is that it applies to a lot more than just period tracking apps and IMO is as useful these days as knowing how to do basic car or home maintenance.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Withholding my upvote because your links are to Play Store instead of F-Droid.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    iOS has a built in feature as well, which Apple claims is private.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Private until apple gets a subpoena from a prosecutor in some medieval christo-fascist red state trying to turn a miscarriage into a murder charge.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Apple employs on-device storage. Don’t use iCloud backup. I don’t know how the listed apps work, but if there’s a cloud sync, the same thing applies to them - and they’re less able to fight it should they choose to.

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  • I mean, Apple also provides E2EE cloud backups. Assuming it is properly encrypted without backdoors, Apple could only “comply” with a subpoena by turning over the encrypted data blob. The feddy bois would only get the digital equivalent of white noise unless they could decrypt it.

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  • [+] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    Vood ewe lihkke sauhm oft mein Menstruuudel?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I suppose the nefarious use of that data would be targeted ads? Also, I track my wife’s cycles by observing the lunar cycle. Maybe some people are less regular or some people want more data logging but the moon is a pretty good indicator. Would recommend looking at it from time to time.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The nefarious use of the data would be to track and convict women who "may" have had abortions dude.... Combined with telemetry data of when you may have had to travel to a blue state for a day or two and it's not a difficult pattern to spot

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So what I'm seeing is a chance for men to confuse the data by installing a period tracking app, tracking fake periods, then skipping a few months and resuming, which might make some asshole cops doing a particularly asshole investigation waste time and resources. A parricularly ambitious man could even set up multiple accounts to pretend to be a whole slew of briefly pregnant women.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    A really enterprising individual may even VPN into Texas to pretend to be the aforementioned slew of briefly pregnant women.... Get the most value out of you efforts, ya know?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Has this ever happened and led to a conviction? Seems far-fetched to me but I am privileged in many ways. I’m sorry that this is even a possibility in some places.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The flo app apparently shared data with Facebook. Besides that, there already have been multiple cases where police used Flock cameras for abortion investigations, so this really isn't that far fetched.

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    My GF uses Flo. Can you elaborate why it is spyware? Who is spying? What data are being collected?

    Edit: nvm, I was too stupid to see the hidden drop down text

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Any app that you are using to track your medical information is 100% saving that data and selling it off. I don't know why people are shocked to discover this.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Mensinator is also FOSS! Easy convenient IU super fast. Drip is slower more UI clunky.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have a TempDrop and use it for BBT tracking. It's got an app to do it. I assume this isnt private - how bad is it?

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Or... a calendar. On paper. You can't trust anyone these days to keep your data safe.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    You can also get Drip for android via F-Droid

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I always thought Periods comes in a constant period. why do we need these app to "track" it?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Periods can vary in frequency, time, amount of flow, etc. Tracking when it starts and stops, PMS symptoms, and other data points can help to understand if/when something is wrong and give a better upstanding of our cycles. It also helps as we get older and move into the perimenopause and menopause parts of life.

    I’ve been tracking my period in a paper planner for a few years now. This tracking helped me link my migraines to the birth control I was on. It has also helped me recognize PMS symptoms to the point where I usually know within a few hours of when my flow will start.

    Not everyone gets a period on a consistent basis either. My cycle used to vary drastically from 2-3 times per year to multiple weeks of flow. Menstrual cycles are weird and can be confusing, tracking takes away some of that mystery.

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s better to stop using apps to track your period at all.

    Use a paper planner, bullet journal, or graph paper. Don’t let any of these companies suck up your personal data.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    This might work OK for simple period tracking, but for more advanced fertility tracking, it's not really possible to do pen-and-paper without being a huge pain.

    For example, the open-source, local-only app Drip optionally uses a "sympto-thermal method" to estimate when a user is fertile; the app takes not just the days they are on their period into account, but also their body temperature, cervical mucus values or cervix values, and throws those inputs into an open-source algorithm for much more accurate results.

    Doing all that on pen and paper might be possible, but it would also be a bit of a nightmare.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    PrivacyGuides has a section about this on their website: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/health-and-wellness/#menstrual-cycle-tracking

    At the time of writing, it seems Drip is the best option on both iOS and Android. The app is free, open-source, and all data is completely local. Honorable mention to Euki as well

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I use this one myself, a bit tedious, it's all front-end so you need to export and import your own data (1 json file).

    https://daumega.github.io/ptracker/index.html

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