Henry Cuellar, Donald Davis, Cleo Fields, Laura Gillen, Vicente Gonzalez, Marcy Kaptur, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, and Eugene Vindman

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[–] 45 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

It also bans teachers from talking about trans people at all.

This should be an easy overturn, but we all know the "freedumb of speech" crowd got their puppet "justices" (misnomer if I ever heard one) on the SC to only interpret the phrase in a particular way.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wait, how can they out the students if they can't talk about trans people?

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Don't bother looking for logical consistency in right wing legislation. It isn't there, and drawing attention to their hypocrisy will drive you insane cuz none of them care.

    The only thing that's ever consistent is the cruelty: the goal is always to hurt some out-group. Often at the cost of hurting themselves, but so long as the out-group is hurt too, they don't mind falling on their own sword to make it happen.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    "Thank you for coming in, parents who are either so antagonistic to their child or so checked out of their life you don't know a fundamental aspect of their being before a teacher does.

    I am required by law to tell you something about your child, but I am barred by the same law from saying what it is. Hopefully you go home and just feel bad about yourself rather than becoming violent with your child. I love that my poorly paid job now makes me complicit in this."

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  • [–] 80 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The system is corrupt and must be destroyed.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What a fucking ridiculous priority.

    Let's just imagine for a minute that transgenderism is some kind of problem to prevent. It isn't, and what a reprehensible concept, but let's just imagine we are all dipshits and believe that for some reason.

    Its 1% of people. Maybe a little bit more undisclosed. OH MY GOD CHANGE THE LAWS AND PUNISH THEM FOR BEING.

    What a stupid country full of morons.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It's what can pass. Like water downhill, it goes through the path of least resistance. None of us actually know how much legislation is being attempted at any given time. We just see what passes that the media decided to inform us of.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    This is the result of stupidity from the top down. Actually, the maliciousness of the stupidity is why I use the word moron. Any decency and reason is not required for the best of you (assuming you are American), and so you cannot avoid a worsening situation unless radical action is taken to stop it.

    Take that for what you will. I see a country that accepts the violence that is being perpetrated against it from its rulers. A population of battered wives that make excuses for the abuse to continue.

    I say this as a person that does not currently live under the fear of someone kicking in my door at 3am and putting a gun in my face. I like to think I can do better, but maybe I'm full of shit.

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  • [–] 72 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I think they meant to title this "Why these eight lying scumbags need to be primaried to prevent continuing slide into fascism"

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Unfortunately Cuellar and Gonzalez won their primaries.

    Party leadership showed it preferred Cuellar over any progressive, and it's exactly because of votes like this.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Cuellar was pardoned by Trump and clearly captured. What the hell is wrong with his district in Texas?

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What the hell is wrong with his district in Texas?

    The party demonstrated that it will do whatever it takes to defeat progressive candidates, so they stopped running.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wouldn't a democratic voter pick a ham sandwich over someone pardoned by Trump and has voted in line with everything Trump has asked of him since the pardon? Seems like a good opportunity to get a progressive candidate in there.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Wouldn’t a democratic voter pick a ham sandwich over someone pardoned by Trump and has voted in line with everything Trump has asked of him since the pardon?

    The last time a progressive ran against him, the party threw everything it had behind Cuellar. This was before trump pardoned him, but after he made it clear that he was an anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra candidate. Cuellar won by something like 500 votes.

    Any progressive candidate has to fight against the Democratic party to win the nomination and then if they win anyway, they have to fight the Republican candidate with a depleted war chest and no support from their own party. Or as Mamdani showed, active antagonism from their own party.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I would have hoped there may have been active antagonism at this point. Cuellar worse than Fetterman or a Republican and squishy brained Dems still voting for him.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 5 months ago

    As long as the party backs him up (and since he does everything party leadership wants, they will keep doing so) his district doesn't have anyone with the means to fight two major US political parties.

    Not to mention, Cuellar has a documented history of corruption. I'm certain he has no problem abusing his office to kneecap opposition. After all, he's a centrist democrat.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Party leadership showed

    [Citation needed]

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Gluesenkamp Perez is almost always on the wrong side of decisions like these. Unfortunately, her district is very mixed and not remotely a Democratic stronghold. A more progressive Democrat would be unlikely to win in her district.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    There's a pretty strong push from her primary opponent this year - he's winning over local Republicans in conversation by focusing on medicare/Medicaid expansion.

    Edit: have to be clear he isn't winning any Maga votes, but iffy republicans that were MGPs "base" since they were already dissuade from voting red from how batshit Joe Kent was.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Amazing how theres always just enough democrats to pass this shit.

    and its never the same democrats that voted to pass the last shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You didn't read the article. They didn't need any Democrats to pass this.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Which is why it is so unbelievably grievous that these assholes decided to cast votes in favor anyway. They are simply declaring their transphobia in order to attract the worst kinds if voters in their districts while the centrists shrug and say "oh well". Meanwhile anyone with a heart is just seething with impotence at the injustice.

    Fuck these useless democrats.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (34 children)

    Democrats are controlled opposition that roll over for Republicans. Been that way my entire life. Democrats support the Republican party and their concentration camps and have no problem othering trans people so they can join the brown people and dissidents already captured by their masters.

    How long until they throw you under the bus as well?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    8 out of the 215 voted for it and to you that means the entire 215 is "controlled opposition"?

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    So let's start a progressive party!

    Oh, you're not going to? Then stop generalizing the dems and start primarying the fascists.

    It's easier to get progressives into the current party structure than to start a new party.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Fun fact: the results of primary elections aren't binding. The DNC can pick whoever they want, regardless of vote count, with no repercussions.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Totally! Which is shit. We can still get progressive candidates in as has been shown, and gradually change the party though. Do as much as possible and fight against them "Bernie"ing the progressive candidates.

    Comments that sow disinterest and apathy create worse problems than fighting for change though.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Lol I just you're the same person I commented this fact to last time. Definitely agree, you have the right idea. Sorry I can't help but grateful I'm in a different country with entirely different issues. Wishing you all the best!

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    That makes sense.

    I believe in a majority of my posts debating the "both sides" comments I'm arguing that changing the Dems to a progressive party is more manageable than standing up a third party in the USA.

    I know the primaries are shaky due to the DNC leadership, but I haven't changed my belief that it can be changed. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm just frustrated with the solution-less complaining.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    I'm really glad you can put words into my mouth so you had something to argue against lol. Loser behavior, but I expect nothing less from those that choose to be livestock.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    What words did I put into your mouth? You're complaining on a forum and generalizing a group. Now I'm complaining about your complaint.

    Then you called me a loser because you'd rather do that than admit you're doing nothing to help the situation.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I've probably done more than most to help the situation. By chance have you organized with your neighbors yet in case ICE shows up on your street? Because I have.

    Have you knocked on doors for candidates you believe in? Because I have.

    Have you lost anyone to the concentration camps in your family? BECAUSE I HAVE.

    So listen here, livestock, I've probably done more in the last 2 years, than you have done in your entire life, especially considering the quality of your posts.

    You want to make a better world, go organize with your neighbors. Do that first, and then you'll have some merit in my eyes. Better than simping for controlled opposition that will throw you under the bus when it's politically convenient.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    In my initial post I asked about standing up a new party?

    I have organized with my neighbors.

    I'm lucky, I haven't had any of my Mexican family abducted. I'm sorry that you have.

    I have done local actions to support local progressives.

    I'm shocked that you are making comments that cause disinterest in people participating in politics while also claiming to canvas for your local politicians though.

    I believe that pushing for local progressives is the best path forward to fixing the Dem party. I HATE people pushing complaints and generalizations like the Dems have the same hard line that the GOP does.

    You have no merit to me either. You jump to name calling very quickly. You make a lot of claims and provide no solutions.

    I'm not simping for the Dems. But I'm also not going to play games and act like ignoring them will help when it's more helpful to convert them to progressives

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    What you're shocked at is that I see the Democratic Party for what they are, and am willing to still work on their behalf IRL because no other viable solution exists within the current structure of our government. I also don't believe voting will actually help us anymore inside the current structure, because I believe a bullet box is needed more than a ballot box right now.

    However I take every avenue available for a better life for myself and others, even when I don't believe it to be THE solution. Nor does this change the fact the the Democratic Party has a history of rolling over for Republicans. And are currently using Trans people as scapegoats. I can be upset and still do what needs to be done, because I've done it my whole life. I vote in the primaries, I've voted third party in local races when its appropriate, and even once nationally for Gary Johnson(most progressive candidate at the time, and supported "The Fair Tax" which was a backdoor UBI) in 2012 after Obama spent his first term rolling over for Republicans, and Leiberman fucked us over on healthcare.

    And I don't believe my comments cause disinterest in voting that wasn't already there, but I gotta tell you the blueberries that show up acting like assholes makes me not want to even bother anymore, and just focus on my own local neighborhood and let the rest of the country fall even further into the shit. You've personally contributed that disinterest for me. I wonder how much more disinterest you've inspired by choosing to ignore the very real problems in the DNC.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Nope, you sound like a tankie, no shock there. I said what I said about my surprise.

    I understand your feelings, but I'm no DNC rep. I AM trying to change them though.

    I'm not ignoring their problems, but I'm not going to sit still and act like treating them the same as the GOP is helpful. They aren't a hardline cult the way the GOP is, and this is a consequence of that.

    I think we're in violent agreement politics wise. I think we disagree on how to change that though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    You literally asked a question then answered it for them. Thats the definition of putting words in their mouth.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    You're right, I asked a rhetorical question to make a point.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because most people know what a rhetorical question is?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe you should look it up then. Because, if you answer it for them, it's not really rhetorical, is it?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think you missed the part where I framed it as if I was having a conversation with the person? You're clearly angry about my choice of literary devices. Sorry to upset you.

    Have a nice day.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    No, that part was very apparent. You having a make believe conversation where you spoke for the other person is the source of our entire conversation. It's not a literary device, though, is the problem.

    Also, as long as we're talking about literary devices immediately trying to frame anyone who disagrees with you as "angry" is a classic. Not a device from any respectable literature though of course.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    The Democratic Party could take a stand and denounce and bar members that do this shit. But they don’t. They don’t take principled stands in order to be a Big Tent party. And because of this Third Way strategy, they lose by dilution. Over and over and over.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Do you want the Dem party to run more like the GOP where it's very much the way you describe?

    I don't think the Dem party is as corrupt as the GOP, so they don't tend to stick to hard line beliefs.

    I disagree with the actions of the entire GOP and those 8 dems but just thought I'd add perspective.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    While barring members might go a bit far, does the Democratic Party not have planks to its platform? Or is it really just anyone "not republican"?

    Beyond that, the idea that denouncement of members is too divisive is kind of a lark on a place like Lemmy.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Okay, Cuellar was the free bingo space for being a shitbag but Vindman after what they did to him? Also Perez right between Portland and Seattle?? We need to primary everyone who did this

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Are we allowed to say both sides are bad and the entire system needs to be replaced yet?

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Or you could say we’re not a cult blindly following an orange idol. We include a diversity of opinions

    Plus congressmen should represent their constituents, no matter how spiteful and close-minded

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    What are you gonna replace it with? Do you know what an absolute shitshow a constitutional congress would be in this day and age. It would actually be easier to dissolve the United States and run each state as in independent country like in the EU.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You have less faith in your fellow Americans than I do. The key thing to remember is that any amendments proposed in a constitutional convention still need to be returned by 3/4 of the states. That alone will keep anything crazy from being passed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You don't understand what a constitutional convention is. It's a complete rewrite. Proposing amendments to the current constitution is something states can already do.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    No, you do not understand. Per Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Procedures_for_amending_the_Constitution

    The only mechanism the states have for directly proposing a constitutional amendment IS a constitutional convention. States can call for a convention for a single amendment. Now, it is scary in that there would be precedent, per the Articles of Confederation, for a convention to just propose anything. The original Constitutional Convention went well beyond its original purview.

    Again, there is one and only one mechanism states have for amending the constitution in any form. That is a constitutional convention. Otherwise amendments must be passed by 2/3rds vote through both houses of Congress.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    That would be preferable to staying chained to demons. Conservative hellholes would collapse within a decade, leftists strongholds would thrive long enough to recolonize the ashes and form a stronger union.

    I just hope I'm given enough warning to go someplace that wouldn't be hell beforehand.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    This is why voting blue won’t save us. We need to rally around a new party dedicated to rooting out corruption and serving the working class, or things will just continue to deteriorate. That new party must relentlessly pursue justice for all crimes being committed today. We must look backwards to understand how to move forwards.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Relieved to not see Golden on this list of Republican Democrats

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