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8 Democrats Help Pass GOP Bill Forcing Teachers To Out Transgender Students (www.huffpost.com)
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Henry Cuellar, Donald Davis, Cleo Fields, Laura Gillen, Vicente Gonzalez, Marcy Kaptur, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, and Eugene Vindman

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[+] -10 points 5 months ago (26 children)

So let's start a progressive party!

Oh, you're not going to? Then stop generalizing the dems and start primarying the fascists.

It's easier to get progressives into the current party structure than to start a new party.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Fun fact: the results of primary elections aren't binding. The DNC can pick whoever they want, regardless of vote count, with no repercussions.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Totally! Which is shit. We can still get progressive candidates in as has been shown, and gradually change the party though. Do as much as possible and fight against them "Bernie"ing the progressive candidates.

    Comments that sow disinterest and apathy create worse problems than fighting for change though.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Lol I just you're the same person I commented this fact to last time. Definitely agree, you have the right idea. Sorry I can't help but grateful I'm in a different country with entirely different issues. Wishing you all the best!

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    That makes sense.

    I believe in a majority of my posts debating the "both sides" comments I'm arguing that changing the Dems to a progressive party is more manageable than standing up a third party in the USA.

    I know the primaries are shaky due to the DNC leadership, but I haven't changed my belief that it can be changed. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm just frustrated with the solution-less complaining.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    I'm really glad you can put words into my mouth so you had something to argue against lol. Loser behavior, but I expect nothing less from those that choose to be livestock.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    What words did I put into your mouth? You're complaining on a forum and generalizing a group. Now I'm complaining about your complaint.

    Then you called me a loser because you'd rather do that than admit you're doing nothing to help the situation.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I've probably done more than most to help the situation. By chance have you organized with your neighbors yet in case ICE shows up on your street? Because I have.

    Have you knocked on doors for candidates you believe in? Because I have.

    Have you lost anyone to the concentration camps in your family? BECAUSE I HAVE.

    So listen here, livestock, I've probably done more in the last 2 years, than you have done in your entire life, especially considering the quality of your posts.

    You want to make a better world, go organize with your neighbors. Do that first, and then you'll have some merit in my eyes. Better than simping for controlled opposition that will throw you under the bus when it's politically convenient.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    In my initial post I asked about standing up a new party?

    I have organized with my neighbors.

    I'm lucky, I haven't had any of my Mexican family abducted. I'm sorry that you have.

    I have done local actions to support local progressives.

    I'm shocked that you are making comments that cause disinterest in people participating in politics while also claiming to canvas for your local politicians though.

    I believe that pushing for local progressives is the best path forward to fixing the Dem party. I HATE people pushing complaints and generalizations like the Dems have the same hard line that the GOP does.

    You have no merit to me either. You jump to name calling very quickly. You make a lot of claims and provide no solutions.

    I'm not simping for the Dems. But I'm also not going to play games and act like ignoring them will help when it's more helpful to convert them to progressives

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    What you're shocked at is that I see the Democratic Party for what they are, and am willing to still work on their behalf IRL because no other viable solution exists within the current structure of our government. I also don't believe voting will actually help us anymore inside the current structure, because I believe a bullet box is needed more than a ballot box right now.

    However I take every avenue available for a better life for myself and others, even when I don't believe it to be THE solution. Nor does this change the fact the the Democratic Party has a history of rolling over for Republicans. And are currently using Trans people as scapegoats. I can be upset and still do what needs to be done, because I've done it my whole life. I vote in the primaries, I've voted third party in local races when its appropriate, and even once nationally for Gary Johnson(most progressive candidate at the time, and supported "The Fair Tax" which was a backdoor UBI) in 2012 after Obama spent his first term rolling over for Republicans, and Leiberman fucked us over on healthcare.

    And I don't believe my comments cause disinterest in voting that wasn't already there, but I gotta tell you the blueberries that show up acting like assholes makes me not want to even bother anymore, and just focus on my own local neighborhood and let the rest of the country fall even further into the shit. You've personally contributed that disinterest for me. I wonder how much more disinterest you've inspired by choosing to ignore the very real problems in the DNC.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Nope, you sound like a tankie, no shock there. I said what I said about my surprise.

    I understand your feelings, but I'm no DNC rep. I AM trying to change them though.

    I'm not ignoring their problems, but I'm not going to sit still and act like treating them the same as the GOP is helpful. They aren't a hardline cult the way the GOP is, and this is a consequence of that.

    I think we're in violent agreement politics wise. I think we disagree on how to change that though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    You literally asked a question then answered it for them. Thats the definition of putting words in their mouth.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    You're right, I asked a rhetorical question to make a point.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    So why the denial then?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because most people know what a rhetorical question is?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe you should look it up then. Because, if you answer it for them, it's not really rhetorical, is it?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think you missed the part where I framed it as if I was having a conversation with the person? You're clearly angry about my choice of literary devices. Sorry to upset you.

    Have a nice day.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    No, that part was very apparent. You having a make believe conversation where you spoke for the other person is the source of our entire conversation. It's not a literary device, though, is the problem.

    Also, as long as we're talking about literary devices immediately trying to frame anyone who disagrees with you as "angry" is a classic. Not a device from any respectable literature though of course.

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