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[–] 57 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Gotta start from somewhere.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wow 'can't keep pace' is a mild way of putting it, the article says an RX 6600 XT gets on average 3x as much FPS in Cyberpunk as this flagship card (~240 vs 80) :D

    Still, everything has to start somewhere, and I'm always happy for potentially more competitors in the market, that only helps us consumers

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago*

    When CXMT started shipping RAM, they were on DDR3, which was already outdated by over a decade. A decade later, they're shipping DDR5 and LPDDR5X, and they're already being used by big module makers like Corsair.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Well, if the "AI" bubble doesn't burst, we'll be using these in upcoming years. So root for them to get better quickly.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    it does better than a 3060. and that aint bad.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Give it a generation or two. Right now i cant even remember a time when BYD was ever behind tesla.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Everyone starts somewhere.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Keep cooking, Lisuan

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Evenly-applied benchmark tests are clearly a western imperialist conspiracy meant to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    can't keep pace with Nvidia's older RTX 4060

    Does it have to?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Ouch, I wonder if they have a high introductory price, to make sales at half price later to make it look better?
    But I'm not even sure it's worth it even at half price.

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    [–] 38 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Kind of weird review, they didnt even try to find a GPU that it is comparable to. Looking at this table, its probably more like a 4050. The thing to note here isnt the performance right now, its the progress compared to like 2-3 years ago. If they can keep the prices at this level and keep improving performance at the same rate, then in another 2-3 years they will outperform everyone in terms of price/performance ratio. Also they have a typo here in the table they misnamed the GPU.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like comparing it to the 4060 is fair seeing as it's cheaper than this one.

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  • I would argue that prices are easier for consumers to compare so in order to get a good baseline for a review you should try to find a GPU that has similar performance and then compare the prices between the two. That gives you a more useful insight into why its not worth the price.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    /remindme 3 years
    They will most likely catch up like they are doing for electric for electric cars now.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    For the Hardware, yes.

    But hardware is less than half the battle. Intel found this out the hard way. 3 times.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children)

    I would think software is even easier to catch up because you don't need as much physical investment and experimenting is way cheaper, especially with LLM helping to learn now. I think DeepSeek is an example.
    Innovation is difficult, but simply catching up with all the public research and open source solutions, not as much.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    oh god we will have vibecoded gpu drivers

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    We already do. All the corporate contributions to Linux kernel (including by Intel and AMD) lately have come with advertisements that they were "assisted" by copilot/claude/codex. Tech corpos are desperate to show to the world how they are using ai all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Literally Google IO this year.

    They showed off an OS they allegedly vibecoded with antigravity, tried to get it to run Doom, failed due to missing graphics drivers, then vibecoded the missing drivers live.

    I was equal parts appalled and impressed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    It seems the only thing the West is successfully out competing china in is income and wealth inequality.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Goog go China, please keep it up and break the duopoly of AMD and Nvidia. And please keep the drivers open source for us Linux folks (and for the west propaganda that China is surveilling everything)

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    Not one mention of AI, let alone performance. Are we certain they evaluated the card on a task its really meant for?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
    [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    While I generally agree with other commenters here suggesting it's only a matter of time before these are vastly improved... are there examples we can point to in the wild of other Chinese tech products doing this?

    To be clear, I think there probably are (maybe Zhaoxin's x86 CPUs?) but am hoping someone with more knowledge than me will chime in. Another potential one which comes to mind is the DeepSeek AI model family.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Honestly this is an absolute win for China, keep in mind their homegrown GPUs and CPUs are only getting significantly better while US tech is stagnating (at least US consumer tech)

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Just having alternative options anywhere near the performance of even several year old nvidia cards is worth it for the competition IMO.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Incredibly underwhelming results, it's readily beaten by a wide margin even by Intel's GPU. For its price point, it's by far the worst contender. Let's see how much can be fixed with drivers and the company learning how to better make these kinds of chips.

    *The results are from 潮玩客's Bilibili video. The first value corresponds to the average frames per second (FPS), whereas the second value represents the 1% Low FPS, a metric for measuring the slowest 1% of frames observed during the benchmark.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you for sharing this table, since you mention drivers, do you remember if Intel's GPU was also this bad at launch before improvements to the drivers or is this even worse?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    I didn't follow it closely, but Gamer Nexus did a video to show some of many problems it had at launch, like the control panel thingy-app not even working, a clean uninstall not actually cleaning everything and it becoming literally impossible to get the driver working - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYSeT-T5uk - most of the problems seem to be about stuff not working, rather than low FPS

    When it actually worked, Intel Arc A750 and A770, which I suppose would be the equivalent of this LX G7100, were roughly between Nvidia RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti in performance, with a no doubt driver related problem with Counter Strike Global Offensive - https://www.techspot.com/review/2542-intel-arc-a770-a750/

    There's this report from 2024, using a Intel Arc A770 16GB. Out of 250 games tested, 218 worked flawlessly, 3 failed to even start and 2 wouldn't actually load into the game. https://www.techspot.com/review/2865-intel-arc-gpu-experience/

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