I think I'm looking at original floorboards, rotting underlayment on top of those, a delightful assortment of other boards on top of that, then Pergo flooring.

I'm unsure of the best way to proceed. My gut says to pull up the top layer of boards to remove that underlayment, but then I worry that that turns into ripping up the whole floor.

(Left Side cabinet)

(Right side wall)

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[–] 38 points 5 months ago

I'm not an expert, but I think this is fairly typical. Unless any of that wood is actively rotting (which would indicate a larger moisture issue that needs to be addressed), using old ugly boards to stabilize and level cabinets and countertops would seem to me like the appropriate approach during installation.

It looks like this was a remodel? If so, they definitely wouldn't have bothered to make anything look pretty if it's going to be hidden behind cabinets.

In other words - it's probably not as bad as it looks. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The photo does not show any signs of obvious rot. Maybe add a moisture barrier underlayment before completing the floating flooring, the install your new cabinets.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This is some minor water staining in an unseen area that's been around for a long time. Ain't nobody used that color green in 50 years.

    _maybe _ there is a bit of.rotnon the bottom right wall but can't tell from this.

    Are you just planning on putting a dishwasher back in the hole ? What's your goal? Because this is fine and honestly I wouldn't do any of what you are thinking unless part of a much bigger project

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yep. Basically I was planning to ensure a level surface with more of that flooring in top so I can slide the dishwasher in. After running the new outlet to the breaker.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    Run your hand under the boards on the right and push into the surface to check for any rot. It doesn't look like rot but good to check since you are in here.

    Then for the leveling.. I'd get some furing strips and some shims and a panel of plywood get get a level set. Your going to need to redo the trim in the front regardless and you want the washer to fit well so you'll need at least some furing strips and shims regardless.

    Anything like a washer or a dishwasher that has pumps and shit that spins and a basin of water, you really want them level. But depending on the size of the washer and the hole, you might only be able to use shims.

    How tight is the washer to the hole vertically?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Pull up everything rotting and replace. Not fun but might as well do it right.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    My house looks like this. I laid flooring not new cabinets. The builders laid flooring under the cabinets. I used some off cuts to fill the gap to let the dishwasher be level.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Mine basically looks like that behind the dishwasher as well ,70s house ! I love finding stuff like that.

    Not the rot but the old paint and flooring

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    That bottom layer of wood, likely your subflooring, looks pretty solid.

    That thin layer on top of it might be vintage linoleum, which can contain asbestos.

    It's not doing much harm under the other layers of flooring, but be careful if you're determined to remove it, and consider professional help.

    Otherwise, it's an area that will be hidden under the new dishwasher, and whatever other cabinets you fill the rest of the under-cabinet space with.

    All you really have to worry about is making sure the dishwasher has a relatively level surface to rest its adjustable feet on.

    Since you have the area exposed, you might also consider replacing the water stained drywall at the bottom. It might help make the kitchen smell less musty.

    Or not. Again, it will be hidden.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    They posted this elsewhere but I'm not sure that's drywall. My house was built in the 1930s and is very similar construction to this. I'd guess it's solid wood

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Now that you mention it, I don’t think its drywall either. I was thinking of hitting it with some Kilz paint.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Again, why? Do you see mold? If you aren't identifying real issues to.address, the best coarse of action for a house which has been there a while without developing any issues is to just leave it be. Not that killz would hurt but.. why?

    Do you know what year this house was built? Is it from say.. the 1910s to the 1950s? Based on that paint color, it's what I would guess, along with the seemingly single wall construction. If so, it's a pretty good chance its redwood, and not that floppy 3rd growth shit, but the real deal, "were mining the future of the planet", old growth redwood. The actual redwood parts of my house are the only parts which have 0 issues related to insects or mold.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Back in the day, kitchens were one of two colors; harvest gold and avocado green. Looks like yours used to be avocado green, congrats.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Looks like that wood panel on the left expired on 05-03-0941. Thats at least 1085 years of spoil. Does it smell rotten?

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 5 months ago*

    I'm going to pull that off next for easier access to the undersink area to install the outlet, so that's a good call out. I definitely want to replace some parts of these cabinets with new treated plywood or something, so I'll add that to the list. It does not smell rotten or anything though. They really knew how to make plywood back in 941 CE.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Pour a can of anti-fungus liquid on these boards, cover with a piece of linoleum or some waterproof rug, install your dishwasher, and leave further remodeling to your grandchildren.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn’t look too bad!! If you can check underneath if there’s a crawlspace or something that’s where you could really find damage. You’d want to look for water damage to floor joists or mold growth. Doesn’t look like there will be any but always good to do a thorough check.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There's a basement underneath, and I can say a lot about my basement, but I'm reasonably certain the floor joists all look good and are mold free and solid.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    That's great! If the bones of the building are okay, you can always change out things like floors and even drywall easily! Subfloors are a little more difficult but you can swap them out, same with studs and joists.

    The good thing is if you did want to swap out the floors, you can do whatever material you want since it's going to be hidden.

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