Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

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[–] 276 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.

That sums up this administration's direction pretty succinctly.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.

    Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's ignorant to underscore the importance of Trump. He's made himself as irreplaceable to their plans as possible. He relies on them to work like all kings do, but without him they'll have a much harder time keeping the coalition from cannibalizing itself.

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.

    He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Obama should have done a lot of things. I'm happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).

    Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that's far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I would put him pretty high but that itself is sorta sad. Its like the last pope. I would like a world where there was cardboard cutout at the white house saying you have to be this competent to be president. In other words I wish that was the minimum level for a president rather than being one of the better one historically.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    It would have been good if the Obama administration had at least walked back the massive erosion of freedom, civil liberty, and the breaches of international law that happened under Bush.

    But it didn't. No one has. Administrations from both parties seem to have kept it as a new status quo.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is there no evil idea these guys don't love?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You could look at it from the perspective of the moral foundations.

    • Care/harm✅
    • Fairness/cheating✅
    • Loyalty?/betrayal?
    • Authority?/subversion?
    • Sanctity?/degradation?
    • Liberty/oppression✅

    Only about half of these are clear to me. I think Trump needs to step up his game if he wants to get to the worst outcome possible.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    If you face torture or deathcamps, It's better to go out shooting.

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    If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn't anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.

    Now I'm hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
    Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can't be treated.
    Last resort is assassination, not because I'm above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it's because if that happens then it'll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn't fucking deserve that mercy.

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  • Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn't get impeached, he'd just effectively be a more obedient puppet.

    Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    What a joke. Most can't even be bothered to skip work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Work is your entire livelihood in this country for most people. They have workers by the neck, daring you to step out of line so they can leave you to die on the streets. I don't blame people for attempting to survive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    And ignoring your neighbors as well. As if those with extra couldn't help those without so everyone can come together and fight your dictator. That's the only way any of this works and history has shown by far, bullets are the best and most often only way to depose a fascist. But you would have to help people you don't know and that's awfully socialist and goes against everything you have ever been told by your government and oligarchs.

    Organization would solve many of these problems but if you never go out and meet like minded people with the same goals how do you organize?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There aren't many with extra at this point. The worker squeeze is at the max.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Then there isn't a reason to continue living like that and the only way to change it is to force it or die in a camp. I am Canadian. I am also disabled. My family has nothing. I'd haul my cripple ass out there. I am now and my situation is vastly different then yours. Can I afford it, fuck no. When you have nothing already there are no more excuses.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

    Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If only the US citizens weren't fascists themselves.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Shit. That is going to work. The SCOTUS will want to suck Trumps balls a little after telling him "no" 5-6 times ... to make it up to him. I bet they are going to pass this.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Just what we need to put in the hands of this Orange piece of human shit.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking "nasty" questions.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    extraordinary rendition meets enhanced interrogation, I guess.

    Sean Hannity still hasn't been waterboarded for charity.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I'd do it myself.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Geneva Suggestions

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Haven't they already been doing this in Guantanamo?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.

    Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney's endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    So his loop hole is when a judge says the government can't send someone to Country A to be tortured, send them to Country B to be tortured with out asking a judge.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Weird, why would he want to do that.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    reads headline

    WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

    Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

    George Orwell, 1984

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Straight up chatGPT answer. Ffs...

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    They're so young and TikTok brained that the only time they see three sentences strung together is because of ChatGPT.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It's the same mindset that causes people to call every photo AI generated.

    It's almost like they've lost faith in human capabilities to the point of assuming humans are incapable altogether.

    This is literally the same mindset that "aliens did it" conspiracy thinkers use, and I think it's incredibly sad to see.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    We’re so fucked.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    yeah. The civil war is starting.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Enough fucking around. CWII now.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The U.S. has been doing stuff like this for a while in the war against terrorism, e.g. transporting suspects to other countries where they can be tortured for information.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    As long as the fascist fuck gets to test it out first...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Wants excuse for super powers, try no to give him that

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    its not like they dont do it anyways, as long as it isnt leaked by people like snowden and Manning.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The fact that the riots have only just started, and for something that has been going on for months, says a lot about the citizens of the US. I have no faith in any of you.

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    Just to add to your point of the size of the US, I recently traveled from San Bernardino California to Salmon Idaho in my 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Even avoiding high traffic areas like Utah it was still rough, that's with it being a more or less straight line through Nevada, only 20 fucking hours.

    Honestly I suspect that this will be both a boon and a curse for resistance as time goes on, since it does heavily restrict how fast you can physically move people around. This means any response time by the feds is going to be decently lagged out.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • Hey at least its broadly to our advantage, between the Routes, Highways, Biways, and Interstates there's basically no way to lock down a county let alone a state without immediately overextending your manpower massively. This ain't the Soviets in WW2 where the Germans could just knock and the railway and isolate a city.

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  • People really don't want to believe that there is no electoral solution anymore. People really don't want to believe that it's too late to save the illusion of peace any longer. This is a late af wake up call to how incredibly fucked we are, and many people will still hit snooze.

    For what it's worth, speech doesn't mean as much anymore, as we now live in a time where violence is the dominant form of power. For this reason, peaceful protests will do little, and mass riots can easily help the oppressors escalate even further. Fighting the incredibly militarized federal and local governments is practically untenable. Over half a century of cowardly libs empowering anti-riot forces has made this a nightmare scenario for resistance.

    There is so little recourse at this point that the best thing we can do is prioritize not dying so we can outlive Trump's reign. We'll need luck and cooperation to survive the infectious diseases, natural disasters, and economic devastation that the state will do less than nothing to mitigate. It's up to us to support each other, because there is no social contract left.

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