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We're inching closer to the Steam Frame release with a SteamOS Manager update (www.gamingonlinux.com)
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[–] 43 points 5 months ago (16 children)

I'm hype for the steam frame. I want an index upgrade so bad.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    I never even bought a VR set yet, I've been waiting for an index upgrade forever to finally get into VR.

    I just hope the price is low enough that it isn't an absurd purchase, but too high for most scalper assholes.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Where would you say the Index has fallen behind, and what about the Frame is better? Isn't the lack of room tracking a big drawback of the Frame vs the Index?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    This basically top of the line VR now: https://store.bigscreenvr.com/products/bigscreen-beyond-2

    The Index has fallen behind a lot and a new model would have been amazing.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Upgraded to the beyond 2e from my reverb G2 and I absolutely love it! Had to go through a couple different face plates since my eyelashes were touching the lenses, but their support was really good about getting a replacement/new face scan.

    Imo the weakest area is the audio strap, especially coming from the G2 which has identical speakers to the index, but in the future I’ll probably look into the project beyondex strap to get the index speakers working with it

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I want the wireless phovated streaming. I'm hoping I can use it in my backyard to have a huge play space. I also like the idea of using it as a linux "spatial computer". IDK how well that's going to work. I might still use my index for seated VR stuff where any drift would be noticeable.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    This is more of a side-grade. I was hoping for an actual Index 2.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm glad it isn't Index 2. The frame seems way more accessible.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah, dont get me wrong, its nice to see another device in the inside-out space (to avoid fucking Meta), but I think its going to be too expensive to compete with Meta on the main stage.

    But I would also have liked to see a takeover of the high end again, to see Valve push the limits.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I hope you're underestimating the number of people who want vr but refuse to buy a quest because of meta.

    I guess valve will decide what comes next when they have an idea for how the frame does. At least the hype makes it sound like it could sell well.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yea, I see why they have done it, its a good move! But I still want an insane high end headset :D

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    A lot of us are tired of high end BS no one can afford and highly proprietary stuff. Hollow Knight is the best game I've played in a long, long time and it could have been played with my 10+ year old midrange computer vs the updated one which was quieter for sure but didn't feel like much of an upgrade given how unoptimized AAA games are now.

    Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise and we might see some actual game engine optimizations that don't expect hardware to keep getting better to perform. Plenty of games that were previously seen as a no go are now targeting the steam deck, which makes them more playable overall in every system.

    Edit: my point: more sales = more interest = better optimization = better graphics at a lower entry point.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm willing to bet it isn't an Index upgrade. That was an absolute top end VR HMD with no compromises. If you're able to run it, with the space for it, then this isn't going to top it. The resolution is lower, and the tracking is internal (which seems to be fine, but not as good if you can do lighthouses instead).

    The only parts that are upgrades, I think, is being able to do things standalone without a connection to a computer, and being wireless (pros and cons).

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The index's resolution kind of sucks at 1440x1600.The steamframe is better at 2160x2160. The index is kind of potato vision IMO. The really high quality tracking from light houses is all the index has.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I thought the Index was higher than that.

    I had an original Vive though. I've used an Index, and it looks mostly totally fine in comparison. It definitely doesn't suck, but higher is almost always better. Notably though, the Frame will not be pushing this resolution everywhere. It'll only be where you're looking, but that's pretty much fine, if not ideal. Using extra energy and creating more heat to render detail we can't perceive isn't good, especially for something mounted to your face.

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    • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I'm mostly stoked about this new ARM support. Gaming hardware is going to see a big shift I suspect

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    And the next shift will be when they use ARM for the Steam Deck 2 once FEX has a lot of games/quirks worked out

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I dont think there are any arm socs that are faster than the current steam deck

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The M2 is like twice the performance

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Apple really does have a crazy hardware division. I wish their software was anywhere near as appealing. They could do a good job of kicking Qualcomm into actually making something useful if they chose to license their M series chips

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    • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I think I'm gonna buy this second hand this time.

    I've always bought valve HW new and even preordered most of them, but in the current financial climate, I think I'm gonna wait a bit.

    I do have a wifi7 access point already wired with this in mind, though.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Doesn't it come with its own WiFi access point dongle thingy?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The dongle itself is WiFi 6. You need a WiFi 7 AP to use it without the dongle.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The dongle operates in the 6GHz band. It's not necessarily WiFi 6, AFAIK.

    Where was it confirmed that you'd need a WiFi 7 AP if you're not using the dongle? The WiFi 7 standard doesn't even need to come with 6Ghz (which is really stupid and confusing) so you could have WiFi 7 and still be limited to 2.4 / 5Ghz.

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    • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm dying to get back into VR, have around 150 VR games i'd like to get back into with controllers that aren't drift prone.

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    • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    I never was very hyped about VR, but the Steam Deck has liberated me from my office chair, and I suspect the frame will be an extension of this freedom for me. As soon as I can pre-order one, I will. I've been saving my money for this thing since the first announcement.

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Do we have any idea how much the whole kit will set us back?

    Machine+frame+controller

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    The only concrete information we've gotten was in the interviews when it was announced, where we were promised "less than Valve Index". Unfortunately that's rather vague, as it's unclear whether they meant Index, Index+controllers, or Index+controllers+tracking stations.

    I'm assuming the price will be approximately what Index+Controllers is, maybe a bit more. You can see those prices in your region by looking up the Valve Index on steam.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It sounds like the machine will have a few versions, presumably just different specs so that's up in the air. With the stocking issues that I'm sure will affect all 3 I don't expect any kind of bundle right away so 99 USD for the controller. The frame has more going for it than my hp reverb g2 and that was 600 years back. I'd have to assume at least 1000, maybe upwards of 1500?

    So maybe 2600 on the upper end if I guess the machine is 1000? I don't know though because ram is still sky high so my brain isn't wired for that.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I would be extremely surprised if the frame costs more at lanuch than the index, which was $1000.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I went higher in my guess than I would've just because the state of things at the moment. I would love it if I was wrong since I plan on getting one. If I ignore that I probably would've guessed around 800-1100.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why is that? I would think so e compute being included kind of makes inherently more expensive

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    • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I really want a Linux DE that can take advantage of this. Virtual desktops and multiple monitors are nice but this is potentially so much better.

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    • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I'm just excited for Lepton which will hopefully demonstrate the stupidity of kernel level anticheat when it will allow Linux users to play Fortnite for a couple of hours before Epic inevitably starts monkeypatching their android port lol.

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    [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I can't wait to box or duel people in VR. I hope VR devs are encouraged to make VR games 🤞

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Sold both of my oculus headsets a few months ago. Looking forward to this

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    [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Looking forward for it, both because the ARM support, since I no longer play on the Deck but on my Android tablet via Game Native, and, if not too expensive or scalpel, for the headset itself. I'm interested both in VR and in using it as Far for regular controller games on the couch.

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