Another day, another Cybertruck being towed from somewhere nobody really ought to need a tow from. Take a look, Toyota Sienna to the rescue.

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[–] 66 points 5 months ago (1 child)

And then the Swasticar exploded.

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I don't get why people use cars to drive onto beaches. Why not park nearby then walk a bit?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    As someone who lives in a region that gets a lot of snow, I know that basically any vehicle can get stuck. When you get unlucky, or do something dumb, you can end up in a position where you simply don't have any traction.

    But that's the thing, you can usually avoid the situation by not doing something dumb, like driving right up onto the beach. And if you are driving on an unstable surface like sand or snow, accelerate slowly and decisively, don't floor it and then stop or you'll roll back into the rut you just made.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    I'd also assume sand driving is like snow driving in that appropriate tires are far more critical to performance than the vehicle drivetrain

    Edit: holy crap I can write coherent sentences! honest!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I think I read at one point also lowering the pressure in the tire helps as well, but not sure how low you could safely go. You want more surface area on sand.

    Edit: someone lower in the comments says 15psi

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I've seen that for bikes but also sand and gravel works very differently from snow under tires

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    And weight is a factor too. The lbs/in on that things tires has to be far more than any other offroader, and wet sand is going to give far sooner than dry, packed sand. Snow and ice might actually be more stable than sand in most cases, the physics are different.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I live somewhere that has miles of beaches and some are world class fishing spots that are really only reasonable to get to if you drive when you consider all the gear you carry with you. There are plenty of spots you can just pull off the side of the road or park in a lot and have a great day at the beach, but not everything is walk accessible for some sports like surfing or fishing.

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    [–] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That video has a distinctive lack of people pointing and laughing and I am so disappointed.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    Source:
    A mom in a Toyota Sienna pulls a Cybertruck out of a treacherous sandpit

    What 4WD truck is unable to get out of this?
    The Toyota probably has front wheel drive only.

    And who didn't get the memo yet that Cybertrucks are notoriously useless in any real offroad situation.

    Fuck Elon, Fuck TESLA and it's a disguised blessing because it helps other e-car manufacturers get a slice of market. Yay!

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The recent Toyota Sienna has 4WD option and can very good power by using the battery. After seeing the Technology Connections video I think if you want a bigger car the Sienna is the best.

    https://youtu.be/KnUFH5GX_fI

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I inherited an older Sienna last year and its been eye-opening just how incredibly practical minivans are for almost any use case where one might want/need a large vehicle. I keep saying that most truck drivers who actually want to haul shit don't realize that what they actually want is a minivan. Same goes for most large SUV drivers. Just get a minivan!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    the fuck is he doing with the steering wheel

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    So.... this is actuality the only part of this video I didn't laugh at...

    In sand and snow, keeping the wheels stationary only serves to dig the hole you're in deeper and deeper. Turning the wheels back and forth serves to widen and possibly lower the angle of the slope of the hole you find your tires digging, this making it easier to dislodge the vehicle. I'm my experience, its hit or ms whether it helps, but it's far from the worst thing to try.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Any situation. Even the boot leaks water apparently, and the official solution is to use tubs

    I legit can't think of why you would buy it, as there are other EV Utes out there which seem better

    The only good thing is that like the VW Beetle there might be collectors value in this (or like the Yugo)

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    The cybertrash is the dumbest & ugliest vehicle i ve seen. Whoever bought one was very clearly in dire need to make a political statement, and only had a tangential need in a car

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It's either political or tgey fell fir the badass Armageddon vehicle that can drive over your vehicle if i want to schtick. Either way, it has to be some sort of IQ teat that people just failed. It's even more disappointing when they leave burger country.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    On one level i do have pity for anyone who got grifted by a nazi and wasted a bunch of money only to commit themselves to an endless stream of repairs and recalls while getting laughed at everywhere they go, all for a shit car with no resale value.

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  • [–] 59 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Regular Tesla drivers who bought their vehicle several years ago, before Musk showed very clear signs of being a Nazi POS? Yeah I have some sympathy for them.

    But Cybertruck users knew exactly who they were buying from. They deserve no sympathy.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Well, not the first few batches of cyber truck. I think it went up for preorder before musk showed he was a nazi, and sold through probably 3-4 batches.

    But after that? I agree with you.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    You were able to cancel those preorders. It’s not like they already paid for the truck. Worst case was people who paid the 1k to make it a binding order rather than a reservation on a waiting list. (Suckers. Why would you preorder a car?!)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Literal nazi, yeah, but in ... checks notes ... Nov '23 it was long known that he was off his rockers in a very right-wing way. And I mean widely known through his Twitter nazification and his association with the bigliest of them all.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I'm extremely impressed by everyone's actions in the video. Normally people who are stuck think you need to spin the wheels at 100mph to get unstuck rather than maintaining traction by using very little throttle. People using straps or chains typically think you need to "get a run at it" and take up the slack by accelerating away at 30mph, only to have their bumper ripped off. Here, both drivers did an excellent job.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    People using straps or chains typically think you need to “get a run at it” and take up the slack by accelerating away at 30mph, only to have their bumper ripped off

    If it was attached to the bumper, it was never going to work anyway.

    "getting a run at it" often does work if slow and steady doesn't work (i.e the pulling vehicle doesn't have enough traction). But you need enough slack to get the pulling car moving. If you just give it throttle on the spot, you'll dig in and have two stuck cars, at which point you might as well get a tractor to save time on pulling them out.

    If you're going off roading though, there's other equipment to help you out. Have a shovel in the trunk. Some sort of boards or something that you can put under the wheels so they stop digging deeper through the dirt. I reckon could've gotten that cyberdumpster out with no pulling, not that I'd take that thing off roading (or drive it in the first place).

    What most surprises me is that in the video they actually put something under the wheels of the cyberdumpster so clearly someone there has previous experience getting vehicles unstuck. If it was the cyberdumpster driver, it begs the question of why he'd take such a ridiculous vehicle off roading anyway. I've had better luck in FWD sedans, let alone cars with torsen-based AWD (Quattro!) or proper 4wd with lockable diffs.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    "getting a run at it" often does work if slow and steady doesn't work (i.e the pulling vehicle doesn't have enough traction). But you need enough slack to get the pulling car moving.

    This is never a good idea as straps and chains have no "give" so all that energy you're putting into the strap will be released instantly once it goes tight, which will impart the same amount of force as if you were crashing into one another at the same speed (possibly worse since cars have crumple zones to reduce impact forces). Many people have died doing this when the part they're attached to shears off and gets launched through the window of the opposing vehicle along with the strap/chain.

    They make recovery ropes that are specifically designed for this purpose that act like a giant rubber band and spread this force out over several seconds so you can pull with more speed safely.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Oh I've never seen ropes without "give". There's always been elasticity in every towing rope I've used. They're sold in every gas station so I've never seen the point in using some random ass rope that I don't know the strength of.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago

    Boonhet is correct on this. The rescue vehicle getting a running start, that works and does not damage the vehicle when done correctly (it's slower than you might think).

    You can watch a Youtube video if you want to see it done correctly, but the straps designed for the purpose are cheap, I've got one in my Tacoma just in case.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know why but I've been watching Matt's Offroad Recovery videos and they often do the fast yank with one of their vehicles.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a great way to end up with a bent frame lol

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    they use "kinetic recovery ropes" which are basically fancy bungee cords - instead of a hammer blow when it pulls tight, it stretches like a rubber band so it puts a lot of pressure over time instead of all at once.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Man that tow strap is going to a comically mysterious place inside the cabin. I cannot believe whatever it was attached to didn't break

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    For a moment there I wondered how can someone be seen in this situation and not die of embarrassment but them I remembered only huge assholes own those.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Happy Alec Watson noise

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    The amount of pick ups that get stuck on beaches will never not be funny.

    Like, yah, cool, you got it lifted, you put big off road tires on it. It’s still got shit ground pressure, it’s too fucking heavy for that kind of terrain, especially with such comparatively small wheels. There are pickups that can be modified to handle beaches and sand, but they’re the smaller ones that aren’t starting with a massive handicap from weight.

    There is a reason dune buggies are small and light, there is a reason tanks have tracks.

    But doing it with a cyber truck is an extra level of stupid.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (25 children)

    Note that the van was on hard packed sand that is below the high tide line, and the Cybertruck is on the soft stuff.

    This is mostly a reflection on the bozo driving the Cybertruck rather than the vehicle itself.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    Oh screw you, look at the wheels in the video.

    It looks like both the front and the back are about to fall off...

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    No they don’t? I don’t like Musk or Tesla but this happens all the time where I live because people don’t deflate their tires to ~15psi before driving on soft sand. Doesn’t matter what 4wd vehicle you use, if you don’t deflate, you are much more likely to get stuck.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (17 children)

    I don't give a shit how fast you can operate a steering wheel, those floppy front tires simply cannot turn back and forth / left and right that fast under proper operating conditions.

    The vehicle is clearly damaged, as are all Cyberdumpsters, by definition.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    https://www.thedrive.com/car-reviews/the-tesla-cybertrucks-steering-broke-my-brain

    Cybertruck steering doesn't work like other vehicles, it's a steer by wire system, which is how the driver can go from lock to lock like that.

    I don't know why you're getting so hung up on this.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wheels (under human control) simply cannot steer that fast.

    Something is wrong, and I think the vehicle is being steered by a squirrel brain.

    You ever been out on a field doing donuts and tearing the grass up? Yeah, I have, I grew up on a junkyard, and I promise you that no human can steer the wheel back and forth that fast.

    So I assume AI/Autopilot was at play here to steer like a spazzed out squirrel brain, while the goal was to simply go backwards.

    Something seriously fucking wrong here...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't read the article, did you?

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Don't need to. There's tight steering, there's loose steering, and anything in between. And then there's an AI powered fucking retarded steering that doesn't comprehend how to go in reverse, in a singular simple reverse direction, but would rather twist its wheels left and right as fast as possible, to try to bury itself deeper in the sand..

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The cybertruck is steer by wire. You can program it to do whatever the hell you want. If you wanted you could make it so turning the wheel 1 inch turns them lock to lock.

    Plus if you're stuck you're gonna be sawing like crazy on the wheel.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The range of motion of the steering wheel is a bit over 180 degrees, with steering angle change ramping up the further you turn the wheel.

    It's genuinely fascinating technology actually, somewhat wasted on a vehicle as silly as the Cybertruck.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    Goal is backwards, over the logs they jammed under the wheels. The vehicle should be cooperating with the humans and strictly drive in reverse, not to try driving with the steering control of a spazzed out squirrel brain on crack cocaine..

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    They are “floppy” because they likely deflated them after getting stuck. But if you want to let hatred blind your reasoning, go ahead.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Oh fuck you and go learn how to work on a vehicle. The fucking RIMS are flopping at the same rate, that ain't got shit to do with the tire pressure.

    Also note, Tesla recalled some of their Cyberfucks for the wheels falling off. Please try to stay up to date..

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    There’s nothing wrong with the rims at all. You are just a very angry, irrational person.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's kinda weird. They want the Cybertruck to be the problem so badly, and it just isn't. And yet, they just keep arguing with everyone.

    And insulting anyone who tries to explain it to them.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    No no, rational people know better than to purchase a Cyberfuck.

    We do know how to read safety notices and recalls and such.

    There's no reason that thing should have been turning the wheels left and right that fucking fast, unless it just wanted to bury itself deeper in the sand..

    Goal is reverse, in a simple and straight direction, being pulled by another vehicle. There's no reason the wheels should have been turning back and forth so fast, and also humans cannot steer the wheel that quickly.

    So, the Cyberfuck AI must have been in control of the wheel, in crackhead squirrel brain mode, trying to become a crab and dig itself deeper into the sand.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    The Cybertruck doesn't have a steering column. They're steer-by-wire. That may explain why the wheels were able to move so quickly. The steering ratio changes dynamically depending on vehicle speed.

    You pilot the Cybertruck with a yoke that sweeps through its full range of motion in just 340 degrees—less than one complete turn. That’s possible because the relationship between the driver’s input and the resulting angle at the front wheels is written in code, with all the infinite possibilities that implies. Tesla uses that flexibility to give the Cybertruck the quickest steering of any production vehicle at parking lot speeds and more relaxed responses at highway speeds for smooth, steady control.

    The driver is just wiggling the steering wheel to try to free the front tires.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you're stuck in sand, the absolute last thing you do is start 'wiggling' the steering wheel. Might as well be a crab trying to bury yourself deeper in the sand..

    IDK whether it was Autopilot or Human™ controlled, or if the vehicle was just damaged and malfunctioning, any which way this event was just straight fucking stupid.

    Props to Toyota though 👍

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I know this is common in many countries but the idea that you can drive your car on the beach is crazy to me. I am glad this is not a thing here.

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  • In the US it depends on which state and local municipality. It’s so damn stupid. Damaging to the ecosystem and a real good way to just rust the fuck out of your vehicle at a rapid rate. You also hear about people getting run over while just laying or sitting on the beach which is cool too. I generally avoid beaches where it’s allowed because you have to watch out for motoring morons in their stupid jacked up trucks and SUVs. Not really an enjoyable walk.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    It was quite literally cyberstuck.

    I love it. Fuck the nazimobile.

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