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In defense of the ‘drunken sailors’ of Steam, many of the games they’ve bought are likely to still be playable for a long time, some were bought in half-yearly sales, and some were part of ‘bundles’ that were bought for a different game. The 30% also pays for the Content Delivery Network, marketing, a forum and sometimes moderation, and a genuine customer feedback mechanism. Who wouldn’t want to be part of an un-enshittified system? Fanboy? You bet. I’m not saying they can do no wrong, but they’re doing a lot right.
When I first got a Steam account, my original plan was to buy every game released on it. But now that’s impossible.
This just sounds like sour grapes whining paid for by Epic games who actually just want that to be them rather than Steam, despite Steam having provided the same service for free, consistently, for multiple decades now. The real offense here is PC Gamer attacking its primary consumer base (try to tell me the majority of PC gamers aren't Steam users), so you KNOW Epic is paying a shit-ton for this manufactured consent and wish-casting. Counterpoint to this article: having more games that you want to play than you have time for, without breaking the bank, is GOOD actually, and other launch platforms only seek to enshittify YOUR experience for their own gain. Thanks!
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Will I get around to playing my whole library? God no, but do i want to give this indie Dev my money? God yes!
I do have a lot of games but most of them came from big bundles from Humble Bundle.
Word. It's not hoarding it's "yeah I'd pay $16 dollars for that one game and I'll give a couple of others a go". I didn't just never get around to Kane and Lynch, I never had any interest in it.
You best be glad these sailors are drunk and laying about on their hoard. Before Steam, those sailors were pirates. Do not tempt them to set sail again.
So, you're saying that Steam games are the stuffed animals that're culturally acceptable for adults to display openly.
I wondered which studio would be bold enough to do blatantly insult an entire marketplace of potential customers, but it's just some guy.
Chris Zukowski.
I am a game marketing consultant and strategist. I have helped Games-as-a-Service companies, indie publishers, and small to single-person teams understand their audience and communicate with them in a more personal way.
Funny way to communicate with your clients audience mate, calling us all "a bunch of drunken sailors"...
I specialize in optimizing your marketing for the Steam algorithm
Ah, so you're part of the reason nothing has a soul any more. Got it.
Bill Hicks evergreen marketing bit is as relevant now as it was in the 80s.
Giving 30% for Steamworks Multiplayer servers and matchmaking, player inventory and trading, modding support w/ workshop, forums, cloud saves: 🙅
Giving 30% because players 'spend irresponsibly': ✅✅✅
Barely bought anything this year because I am still finishing Factorio. 1600 hours on steam and countless more from the non steam version of the game.
The factory must grow. My SA deathworld save is up to around 3000 SPM.
Factorio is a game where I'll spend so much time and getting pretty far. Then I'll "refactor" some parts for efficiency. Then I get like a new science and I'll be like, I can't make this work and give up.
Then I'll start again later thinking I'll get it right the next time!
Although, if I had my robo flying stuff set up correctly then this wouldn't be an issue.
I put Factorio down for a bit. I have almost 4,000 hours in Factorio, and almost 3,000 hours in Dyson Sphere Program. Been playing Derail Valley Simulator, Schedule 1, and Vintage Story recently.
devs aren't smart people. talented, yes. smart, no.
I worked with many devs making $100-200k a year and could barely afford their apartments because they were so spread thin financially. spending $100+ a day eating 3 meals a day out. "investment" in crypto scams. girlfriends(yes plural). $4k a month rent for apartments that are way too extravagant for someone who spends 80% of their time at the office. driving nice cars with monthly leases in the $2-3k range. living on credit cards.
the only time I saw most of these guys get their shit together was when they got married.
I mean, where is the lie? Gimme cheap games, I'll "buy" all of them!
It's not cheap
The perfect south park clip to illustrate this story:
Randy explains how stupid other people are with their money.
WELL, I'll let you know that my GOG collection is larger than my Steam collection!
It seems like a ignorant take. It's FOMO but instead of a missing out on a loot box or a silly cosmetic for a high price. It's about missing out on the sale for a low price.
It's like gym membership or books. If everyone with gym membership would go regularly, the business won't be profitable. Or if everyone only buys a new book after they finish what they have bought, the publishing industry would be in shambles.
These businesses play the probability game. They are actually just insurance by a different name.
I have bought games on steam that I already owned and played on other platforms, just because I wanted to support the dev and have a copy on a reliable platform. But with recent developements I do wonder more and more how long it will stay reliable.
It's not any different than getting on the apple app store, they even take 30% too.
I always wait 3 years to play a game. Its less expensive, my gpu is up to date and the game is patched.
Heh as if I wasn't an idiot and bloated my own steam library with fanatical mystery bundles and all those developers didn't walk away with a completely random dollar and a chance to actually have a game get noticed and steam got zilch.
It honestly just sounds like a productive economy that's constantly moving and giving opportunities to developers even if they aren't getting nothing but ravid fans. Like how busking might work in a wealthy thriving city compared to a poor one.
Are non-Steam gamers not also hoarders? Because if they are, that whole argument falls apart.
I don’t think I’ve spent a dime on Epic but have a nice little collection going there. I have spent a reasonable amount at GoG and have a nice collection there, too.
I know plenty of console gamers who buy physical copies of newest releases, complete them and sell them on local Craigslist equivalent. They hold a handful of games at most. Not really possible on PC anymore.
I have a friend who buys every single console game released and never plays any of them. Physical copies georg is an outlier and should not be counted
Not to the same degree.
My wall of shelves loaded with board games says otherwise...
When I say to the same degree I'm not saying there aren't people with thousands of games elsewhere. I'm saying there are more of them on Steam and they tend to collect higher amounts of games on average.
Board game enthusiasts don't always have thousands of board games, most console gaming enthusiasts don't have giant walls of games lining their house, etc.
That said, I don't have sources to cite here other than my personal interactions with other steam users on social media and my steam friends list number of games. I could be wrong as this isn't hard data but I'd bet money I'm correct though if there was a way to verify the comparison.
Unfortunately, the article doesn't really compare to other collectors. My wife's bookshelves are full of a much higher cost library than my Steam library could ever hope to achieve, and many of them are still on her "TBR" list. She'll also never read those physical copies, so she's buying them twice so she can read them on her Kindle or listen on Audible.
Could that just be due to the fact that things like humble bundle would give 10+ games a month for like 20$? Or the amount of sales that steam has allowing you to get another another 10 - 20 games for 50$, or the price of a board game?
If Nintendo, still epic, or Xbox had sales of this magnitude I'm certain you would see significantly more "hoarding" there as well
The argument isn't that only Steam gamers are hoarders. The argument is that game hoarders congregate on Steam. You can have hoarding gamers in the wild, and those wild hoarders may never touch Steam, but you're guaranteed to find hoarding gamers on Steam. If you're looking to sell games to hoarders you're going to sell more when you do it where hoarders regularly visit.
It's the same reason Epic is giving away free games. They're trying to attract hoarders by giving them a free hoard and regularly inviting them into their shop. They won't really attract hoarders who are entrenched on Steam but they will attract future hoarders who might not yet have a huge Steam library.
I’m a console gamer, I’ve never cared about my library to the point I actually threw away games from previous gen’s once I got the new console. That was me as a kid mind you. Nowadays, I just don’t buy games at all thanks to gamepass. So yep it kinda tracks, at least anecdotally.
A bunch of drunken sailors who spend money irresponsibly?
So... pirates?
I would guess the line between the two groups is about one plank wide.
I think if I was irresponsible with my money, I'd be paying for games and pirating food instead of the other way around. 🤷♂️
pirating food
You wouldn't download a burger
I would download a nice steak and a healthy salad instead!
Just pirate both and spend the money on gambling like a real pirate lol
He doesn't consider game bundles like e.g. humble bundle. There you can get loads of steam games which you might activate but only play a few from.
My steam library is full of humble bundles that I only bought for 2 games because it would be like $5, cheaper than buying regularly, and still getting like 7 other games with them.
And that's even with me giving away keys from games I know I won't ever play.
Hey if I could sell a million copies of a game for just a dollar each as my cut of a bundle, well I’d be a millionaire!
Digital hoarding is a mental disorder same as any other form of hoarding.
It is very common for people to joke about how big their backlog is. I’m not sure we can call buying things you’re never going to play as frugal. I’m on autism spectrum and do both regular and digital hoarding occasionally but I’m a bit more mindful about it ever since I admitted it. Many people seem to be in denial.
Buying an indie platformer that you might not play is not anywhere close to actual IRL hording. And it's not even what is being described as digital hording in that article from UCLA.
It's straight up irresponsible to compare it to an actual hording mental disorder. Like, you must not have ever experienced that in any capacity to think that.
Although, surely digital horders have some cross over. But the prevalence of people not playing a game they bought on discount ain't it fam.
Completely agree. I think maybe digital hoarding can be real when it gets to the point where people are buying excessively to the point that they cannot afford it, but hoarding disorder would typically be associated with physical goods that are cluttering your space to dysfunctional levels.
Expanding on that, and explaining why this is not Digital hoarding, I have a HUGE catalog of games, lots of which came from bundles and such, if I was able to sell back games to steam, even if for a few cents, I would delete a big chunk of that. But as is I have no reason to do it, I can put them in a "never played" category and forget about them until I randomly find a game in the store that mildly interests me and notice it's already in my library.
Funny enough, the link to Rich Shanton, the one who wrote this, throws a 404 error.
So basically "Valve discovered a gold mine by selling you so many games" and "it's your fault for spendijg money on games". Yeah wait wut? As if it's someone's fault that so many games are getting released. Also ending with "beware, not every customer is a die-hard fan". Wow.
Go crack the F2P business model next, Sherlock.
I don’t think I can speak for everyone, but the majority of the games I have on steam that I will never play are older big name titles that I got in bundles on sale with other games I wanted to play.
I have a lot of indie/smaller studio games on steam, and I’ve played all of them a decent amount. I think the reason games from smaller or independent studios do better on steam is because they actually get put forward and highlighted by events. Like, there are mechanisms in place to promote them to people who wouldn’t have heard about them through word of mouth.
I think the larger issue is that other storefronts are just… bad about highlighting games that aren’t from huge studios and massive publishers, obvious exception for GOG who is more focused on game preservation and older niche games, but even there I rarely see new stuff from small/indie studios getting promoted.
Like, sure on epic they’ll get a 80% cut, or what ever it is, but 70% of 1000 sales is a lot more than 80% of 10.
Also, like, the comparison to Netflix is absurd. When you pay for a Netflix subscription, you are paying for literally all of the content they have, and I’m pretty sure it would be impossible to watch everything on there. It also sucks because if I want something niche or novel, there is no incentive for that to be produced because my payment is spread evenly across everything Netflix is producing.


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