A email from a scooter rental company reading "Riding violation detected, We noticed some behavior on your ride on May 10 like skidding, jumping curbs, and wheel spinning or burnout- that is not permitted under our User Agreement. Future violations may result in a fee."

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[–] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Did everyone in the comments suffer brain damage and forget about Hertz and its bullshit AI “scratch and dent” scanners? Or the hotels charging non-smokers $500 “smoking” fees because an AI smoke detector said so? Do people defending this shitty company not see the obvious and unavoidable conflict of interest companies have to make a system like this overly sensitive in order to rack up fines? It would be one thing if the threat was a ban from the service, but it’s just so clearly an excuse to generate more profits I’m shocked this needs to be pointed out.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    I hate the scooter kids who do this shit

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  • [–] 68 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    I fail to see the problem with this. It is their property you are renting, and they are telling you to not fuck with it too much. Looks very reasonable to me. And all of those can be detected without any violation of privacy too.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    IMO it kind of depends on whether their 'riding violation' detection system is overly sensitive, this could be a reasonable response or absolute bullshit depending on what the scooter pilot actually did.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah this. It's reasonable if the companies are and the system is.

    But for instance Ryde scooters in my city had most of their brakes set pretty friggin tight, so that pretty much any application of the rear bake lead to skidding.

    I know kids do it on purpose, and I did enjoy skidding a corner or two, but tried doing it minimally. Couldn't help myself though, especially because 50% at least were just useful accidents.

    But my point is that if the rear brake wasn't as tight, I wouldn't have skidded at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    For real. Like, they aren't even giving you a fine. This is a polite warning to not do dumb shit on an expensive e-scooter. Beyond not wanting the things damaged, they probably also don't want customers losing control and concussing themselves. Scooters are absurdly easy to crash as is.

    This post is stupid.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Scooters are absurdly easy to crash as is.

    Agreed with all of your comment but wanted to discuss this. A vehicle you are unfamiliar with is easy to crash and a rented scooter can have weird weight distribution. Still, like with a rented car it comes down to how reckless you are being as a driver. We (and I include myself in this group) tend to generally be a lot more comfortable being reckless on bikes and scooters than in cars in part because the potential damage from a bike crash is trivial compared to the potential damage from a car crash. So like, it's likely not a simple, black and white single variable issue like "how bad a driver are they" in their database

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I left a portion of my face on the sidewalk in Austin TX from one of these scooters. My drunk ass sure didn’t respect the danger these pose.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    My erstwhile manager told me that he once fell off a scooter and broke his leg very badly. According to him, the ER doctor said the only other time he'd seen that type and severity of breakage was when someone was parachuting, messed it up, and hit a tree.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (10 children)

    I don't understand how jumping curbs is supposed to be a problem, that's just something you have to do to get around sometimes. It also seems like something that hitting potholes would easily get confused for.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Scooters are supposed to be on the street. There is no need to jump any curbs.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Where I'm from there's still a plenty of combined pedestrian/bike paths that have an annoyingly high curb after every crosswalk.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'll say again. Scooters are supposed to be on the street. Not on bike paths or sidewalks.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Well you'd be wrong. The law says they belong on bike paths here, and a lot of the time sidewalks are combined paths where bikes are supposed to go.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    It's not long before "Abuse you like a rented scooter" becomes a new idiom.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    How is it dystopian to not damage things that don't belong to you? Ride the scooter like a normal person, or buy your own for stunting...

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I don't think it's corporate dick-sucking to say that if you use an e-scooter share, it's not dystopian that the company administering them tries to track if you're using them in a negligent way that causes unnecessary wear. It's not yours.

    The fact these corporations are running this kind of thing is itself problematic, but I also wouldn't object if a government-administrated e-scooter share tried to detect poor behavior on a piece of equipment you don't own.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I would be more accepting of escooter rentals if it wasn't the only legal option to use an escooter in the UK. It's fucking bullshit that they are essentially given a monopoly on renting a method of transport.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The things they listed are not negligent, and not even about wearing tear, bet you it's about insurance. Liability insurance for personal injury.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    DANCING IS FORBIDDEN

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, get your own scooter and you can do all the burnouts and hit all the curbs you want.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's illegal to use your own here, only allowed to rent one from which ever company has the monopoly to rent them out in your area. Or can't use them at all as there isn't anyone renting them out in your area.

    Of course because there is no legal option to use your own many just do it illegally.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    What they don't want is either you or somebody else to sue them because they know they're enabling you to use an alt method of transport that offers no real guardrails.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    How is everyone acting like the poster is at fault here? How do you know their AI detection system isn't bullshit and they didn't drive entirely reasonably, and the detection system is actually the problem?

    Use some common sense, people... Both things are possible here, a reckless driver or an overzealous detection system.

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Now I'm just going to grind harder. Tell me again and I'm hitting the half-pipe.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    I've worked service and repair jobs for decades. I will always default to the user was a jackass unless provided direct proof to the contrary.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    How about don't break rental shit?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Stop taking rentals down the skate park.

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