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[–] 3 points 5 months ago

Cool, now use that uptick as a reason to finally finish the gecko firefox for ios.

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    [–] 41 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Now if only Apple will let Firefox run its own rendering engine instead of Safari’s.

    Like, that’s the only thing I don’t get. Other apps which are not web browsers, fine. Use Safari. But an actual web browser? FFS, let them use their own engine.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    its just that Apple forces Webkit to all Apps on the app store.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm no apple fan, but I will note that their Tight AF control over the apps nets them a very very small power draw and ram footprint. I don't think they're pushing safari because they don't want you to have a choice, I think it's control over their own perf that they're looking for in this case

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  • [–] 97 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Man it's so funny how the only company that even thinks about allowing you to not have AI, gets so much shit from people.

    OK you don't like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

    Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore. Then where will you go? Chromium? Safari?

    It's important to keep companies accountable, but nothing is ever black and white.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago

    People seem to care more about synthetic benchmarks than using a browser that gives them much less tracking and ads. Remember when chrome was popular because its so fast? I never noticed a difference between that and Firefox in ordinary web pages, except Googles, since they are intentionally making it slow for Firefox.

    And with all that going on, people still picked chrome. :)

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    OK you don’t like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

    Because Chrome is used by normies who have no idea and wont care while Firefox is used by tech-literate users who care and like to tinker. The backlash was because FF implemented AI that you had to go to about:settings to disable. Result of backlash - a switch in settings to disable it.

    It would be smart to implement AI and advertise people that they can switch it ON if they want to. Not the other way.

    Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore

    There is nothing to go to. But if we accept the outcome, we just submit to the system. Might as well switch to chrome at that point hoping that Servo gets developed fast enough. Firefox would lose their browser share at an instant once they are not different from chromium based browsers. Basically seppuku themselves.

    Not understanding your user base is how you get a backlash.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I've been looking in my laptop and PC (both running CachyOS) for that download Chrome is pushing, and haven't been able to find it in any of them. I'm not saying it's not happening, I'm saying that it seems like some Linux distros are immune to that crap.

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  • [–] 69 points 5 months ago (25 children)

    Nice but it's kinda wierd how people decided to use these browsers after this new law was passed, I mean it's so easy to install apps on smartphones right now but people needed this choice screen to choose another browser of their liking? I would guess it's probably old people that switched that didn't know how to install browser without it, I googled but couldn't find any prove of this tho so it's just my guts

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  • [–] 115 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    It's laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

    Once you show them the screen, any choice is the same amount of work so they will select what they really want. But without the screen, 90% of people will be good enough with the default option. Or, they might even be mildly uncomfortable with that option, but not enough to do something about it.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah I guess people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech, it's so normalized today, in my university (I am a student) when I tell people I don't use Instagram or TikTok and whatnot they look at me like I am crazy, tbh maybe if we define crazy as "not doing what everyone around you does" maybe I am

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

    I was one of those people some time ago. I remember doing it deliberately and saying "what will they do to me? Offer me a product that better suits my needs?"

    I never had any issues because of that...

    right now I decline each time, the more work it costs me, the more motivated I am to decline every single marketing consent.

    I do it out of spite, because of all the enshitification happening to services I used to like, and I just try to make their life harder.

    I really hope that Google will, some day, miss one cent needed for some huge multi billion deal thanks to my resistance! ;)

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

    To be fair, we haven’t had all the consequences of it hit the population yet.

    Surveillance pricing might change the narrative

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    oh don't you worry, it won't. Because those who refuse the surveillance will face the highest prices.

    recently I bought something in a shop I rarely go to. plenty of things they sold for two times the price if you didn't have a member card.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We tend to overestimate people's skill in tech. The average user uses what came installed, doesn't like installing and experimenting apps, uses a browser while logged in to google, taps yes on everything, will install apps when sites ask for it, without even noticing, and will register in every site or app that asks for it, and even give their real email, name, etc

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And there are probably many users that do all of this due to being afraid that things might just start breaking, or that more actions they don't understand will be required to keep the system rolling, if they stray from this path for even a little.

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  • Yeah, there is a very large part of society that tends to default to “if I change anything, I’ll probably break it. It works now, so I won’t change anything.” It likely has a lot of overlap with the “you touched my computer eight months ago, and it stopped working yesterday. Whatever you changed must have broken it” population; anyone who has become the de facto family tech support will know exactly who I am talking about.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago

    it’s so easy to install apps on smartphones right now

    Providing choice as a default is precisely about people who are influenced by defaults. It's NOT about how feasible something technically is.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago*

    i've legit seen many people who have no idea what a web browser is, internet == chrome/safari/edge (which opens automatically when clicking a link on some app) for them. this isn't just older people, actually it's usually worse with younger people.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It isn't that weird. Users have a very low tolerance for independence, especially as tech markets itself to less and less tech savvy userbases(like Gen alpha and z). They do what their screens tell them to for the most part.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    like Gen alpha and z

    As a gen Z who started with Linux with 12, daily driven it since 14 and dipped into Gentoo and arch at 15, I feel offended

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    If something is good enough to do what you want you have no real motivation to change. People posting here are far more concerned about privacy than most people based on how much people seem to voluntarily share online anyway.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    i'm sure more people would install brave now they know about how great it is

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I'm sure more people would delete Brave if they started to apply the same standards they do for Firefox

    Oh, you should just disable the rewards the cryptowallet the ads on the homepage and ignore all the nonsense they did in the past, then it's greaaaaat

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Does anyone here know how to get the old menu UI back on mobile?

    I can't get used to the new one. It's not ergonomic at all imo.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe Firefox is going to improve performance in android? Also PWA support on android would be great. PWA support is what's kept me stuck with Brave.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Firefox on Android totally does support PWA's though, since 2018 even actually.

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  • [+] -17 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    There is something humorous to the fact that these users have waited until Firefox has begun the AI enshitification process before switching to it. It's like they just had to wait until it was no longer the clear. Good choice before they made the switch.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Firefox lets you implicitly disable or remove them, slop browsers do not.

    I don't like AI either but lets not pretend there's an equivalency between these browsers.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    But this is talking about users who switched to Firefox only AFTER being presented with a choice directly in their face. The Firefox AI options are turned on by default, and I can't remember if it was easily guided to turn them off. So this group may not find that an easy solution, or find it at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    The difference is that there is a switch. Chrome does not. Not to mention, Firefox has optional AI features, which is different from a local AI model automatically installed. Mozilla/Mozilla staff has been vocal about how bad of an idea it is to make local AI a web standard reference

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  • [–] 68 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Firefox has begun the AI enshitification process

    Dude, it's like five things – one of which is just translations that can be performed locally, and another of which is an alt text accessibility option – with an obvious universal kill switch (and of course individualized ones). Calm your tits. Chill your balls. I don't use LLMs at all except for translations, and I still think the whinging over this is completely overblown.

    "Begun" implies a slippery slope of much more, and that just doesn't seem to be the case.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    FireFox was enhittified even before the AI bits: it fucking spies on you

    That's why I use LibreWolf , which is literally just the latest-stable FF build, but with all the AI and telemetry ripped out, uBlock Origin and anti-fingerprinting enabled by default.

    It's literally what FireFox was supposed to be. And they don't even accept money . God level.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    But there is no mobile version, and their FAQ says it's unlikely to happen. Instead they point to IronFox, which I presume is nowhere close to feature equivalent to Firefox.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    which I presume is nowhere close to feature equivalent to Firefox.

    why do you presume that?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Because more people would be promoting it if that were the case? It is what it is, I'm not meaning to knock it, just wanting to seek clarity in its promotion. There are always going to be trade-offs, and it is up to each end-user to decide whether they can live with them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    ironfox is not a brand new browser, but a soft fork like librewolf, always kept up to date. what it removes is the garbage google components, nothing useful is removed as I know. it even has a couple additional settings related to privacy, and Unified Push support for some reason I could not yet figure out

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm personally quite partial to Fennec.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    And here Mozilla is, trying to send everyone they can away

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    Really we should all just be using GNOME Web on a fresh Debian install. It makes me feel relaxed just thinking about it.

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