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[–] 13 points 6 months ago

They told me my collapsed lung was anxiety. I'm a guy.

They're just really used to diagnosing anxiety when people have a certain cluster of symptoms including presenting with anxiety . Still sucks but if damages happened as a result they could be liable.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    This article was removed due to being inaccurate.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Given the symptoms reported... There was no reason to expect anything out of the ordinary.

    “They were not thinking that these symptoms were compatible with hantavirus. Why? Because what she was telling [them] was [that she had] an episode of coughing some days ago that had disappeared, and what she was having at that moment was kind of like stress or anxiety or nervousness. So it was not catalogued [as hantavirus],” Padilla said.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    pfff women, amirite, always complaining about their little anxiety and hysteria

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    [–] 35 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This article has been removed due to being inaccurate.

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  • [–] 71 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You're being hysterical, dear. Maybe it's that time of the month? I recommend Epsom salts and bromide. Sorry, I'll explain again to the head of the house.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!

    Well, not that shocked

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    Sounds familiar.

    "Bloody vomit and passing out with a 43° fever? Bitch your BMI is 33 what do you expect?"

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    If you'd actually read the article instead of jumping straight from the headline to the funny quip you thought of:

    Why? Because what she was telling [them] was [that she had] an episode of coughing some days ago that had disappeared, and what she was having at that moment was kind of like stress or anxiety or nervousness. So it was not catalogued [as hantavirus],” [Spanish health minister] Padilla said.

    This doesn't sound like a discrimination thing; she literally described a cough that went away days ago and an anxiety she was feeling.

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    So out of curiosity because I shit on MAGA for this all the time. This is a special interest story trying to make us feel a certain way isn't it? It's not about statistics or facts. It's about a feeling. It's manipulative.

    What is that message the author wants us to feel

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    They just want you to click so they can get paid. It's called clickbait. It isn't a special interest story.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    My question is, what does that say about us? What is the message the author knew would work on us?

    This is by definition a special interest story. It might as well be a story about an elderly women feeding ducks by the pond.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    “Bloody vomit and passing out with a 43° fever? Bitch youe BMI is 33 what do you expect?”

    What? What are you referencing here?!?! That's beyond medical malpractice, holy crap...

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's a common stereotype (I can confirm anecdotally) that whenever a woman goes to the doctor for any reason, the doctor will do one or more of the following:

    1. ask when their last period was, regardless of the presenting issues
    2. tell them to lose weight
    3. order a pap smear
    4. dismiss their distress as insignificant due to period/hysteria/any-BMI-higher-than-a-supermodel/just being a woman.

    This happens a lot. I don't know the stats but it's happened enough times to women I know to actually cause them to avoid medical treatment.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    No, I mean, I know that, but I was thinking they were referencing a specific case or something, because that sounded very extreme.

    I was under the impression that high BMI was often used to dismiss health concerns regardless of gender, though; and that hysteria was soooo last century, but I guess not :C

    According to a review I read, Scandinavian countries are better at this. Perchance we all move to Sweden.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    I do believe 1. Is because everything changes as soon as a woman is pregnant and they have to stop doing any treatments that haven't been tested on pregnant women for liability issues. Doesn't really justify the others though.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    This wouldn't' be the first time medical misogyny was fatal.

    When professional medicine was new, a doctor (male) was about three or four times more likely to kill a pregnant person or their infant than the midwife (female), who knew about washing her hands. The AMA was a pioneer in early American anti-abortion activism. Not for moral objection, just to discredit midwives and clever-women who dominated reproductive care at that time.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I agree with the medical misogyny part but the hand washing nurses part is incorrect AFAIK. They weren't washing their hands either but the doctors were working on cadavers and so more riddled with nasty bacteria.

    Women giving birth in the street had higher survival rates than either of the two hospitals in question which is fucking wild.

    Half arsed history does a really great episode on it. Episode 91. Highly recommended.

    Even after Semmelweis forced everyone to wash their hands and proved how life saving it was, he got enormous pushback for the notion that doctors could be killing their patients. Arrogance costing lives.

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    medical misogyny

    Source?

    The article does not mention sex or medical actions based on the sex of the doctors and the patients.

    This seems like something a sexist would just conclude to. You want it to be something bad for the sex you hate, but realistically, there is nothing at all weighing behind where your mind went.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago*

    No. I saw someone being inventive with a new narrative that contradicts the actual narrative. I don't care if the social agenda is gender-based, raising classes of ethnicity, or if they just started being all pro-MAGA; the behaviour is still the same, regardless of the diversity of values in their agenda. It is intentionaly deceitful and the plague that has killed the Information Age.

    So, I think it's insane to call out my behaviour like that. Not even a male but got "triggered" by a single word reserved for males that lean extreme on a spectrum for males. Gaslight all you want, I'm simply incompatible with what your convenience wishes of me.

    That said, your links are excellent. I encourage you to post them as actual posts where discussion and awareness can be spread proactively, avoiding any disservice toward such important things. Let's keep our information clean and honest, knowing many people rely on comments over actually reading the content of posts.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The article does not mention sex or medical actions based on the sex of the doctors and the patients.

    Fucking really?

    Literally the first line of article:

    A French woman who tested positive for hantavirus after she was evacuated from a cruise ship reported symptoms to doctors onboard but was told it was probably just anxiety, the Spanish health minister has said.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    the woman...had been suffering flu-like symptoms but they appeared to be getting better and she did not have a fever.

    “They were not thinking that these symptoms were compatible with hantavirus. Why? Because what she was telling [them] was [that she had] an episode of coughing some days ago that had disappeared, and what she was having at that moment was kind of like stress or anxiety or nervousness. So it was not catalogued [as hantavirus],” Padilla said.

    “It is not that the patient was feeling bad and she was saying: ‘OK, I’m not going to say anything because I want to be on the plane.’ It was like: ‘OK, we have measured your temperature, it was not fever, afterwards you have been on the plane, it has taken off, you have started feeling bad, we have measured your temperature and it was fever.’”

    Padilla said passengers could not have been tested onboard the vessel because there were no rapid PCR tests for hantavirus available. Any testing would have involved flying samples to Madrid to a specialist lab

    She had no fever, she mentioned a brief cough that was gone, and then described feelings of anxiety. There were no tests that could be done there that would be definitive, so they cleared based on other factors. She didnt present any significant symptoms until she was on the flight.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    What were the specific symptoms she reported to the doctors?

    If I go to the doctor and I report "I'm feeling generally nervous and a little scared", I would expect the doctor to respond "That sounds like anxiety".

    If I report "I'm having a worsening cough, and body aches", I'd expect "That sounds like a viral infection".

    If I were to report "I had a cough several days ago, but it has disappeared. I'm feeling generally nervous and a little scared", should the doctor listen to what I am saying and conclude "anxiety"? Or should they focus solely on the symptom I reported in decline and conclude "virus"?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

     

    Were you on a ship which had a disease outbreak and 11 cases?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    That's a very, very good point, but not the one you think it is.

    Of the ~240 people aboard the vessel, 100% are experiencing symptoms of "anxiety", while about 5% have been identified as also experiencing "Hantavirus".

    Everyone aboard is quarantined, and regularly being interviewed by medical personnel to determine if they are symptomatic. Did she initially report virus symptoms along with the anxiety affecting everyone? Or did the virus symptoms appear later?

    "Ma'am, even though you have reported no symptoms indicating you have contracted the virus, we're going to go ahead and say you have it."

    ^ much more problematic diagnosis.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What even are asymptomatic carriers smh my head

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Asymptomatic. Correct. You just agreed with the doctor that she was not displaying symptoms of Hantavirus.

    Like the other 95% of asymptomatic people on board, she was already under quarantine. Like all of them, she was already being treated as an asymptomatic carrier.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    doctors from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and the Spanish foreign health service assessed the French woman and dismissed her symptoms as anxiety or stress

    Somehow, this doesn't engender confidence in the ability of these entities to provide accurate assessments moving forward into what could potentially be a larger outbreak.

    "That guy coughing up a lung look okay to you, Clef?"

    "Mmm? Oh ... yeah. Just a little stress, I'd imagine. Have you seen the price of petrol lately?"

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Statistically likely they would treat a man more seriously though. Women are far too often dismissed with anxiety or just dismissed altogether.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    In the US perhaps, over here we are proud to dismiss anyone with anxiety regardless of gender, women in particular get instead dismissed with period cramps or potential pregnancies! /s

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    "We have the best dismissal rates. I know all about dismissing women. Nobody knows more about dismissing women than me. Women come up to me all the time, tears in their eyes. 'Mr President, you raped me when I was 13'. I just call them a bitch, and dismiss them. And when you're famous, you can do it! Believe me. Believe me".

    (It's so hideous some of that was based on actual events).

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    I almost died of amoeba hystolytica in Bolivia 20 years ago because of medics saying bullshit like this: "You are just not used to our diet!"

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    [–] 33 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Average female medical system experience tbh

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    When I was suffering from lymes during the pandemic and couldn't get out of the couch after work, I went to an infectious disease specialist (didn't know I had it yet). My blood tests came back positive for lymes but he was insistent that I didn't actively have it and only had it in the past. He told me I had "pandemic fatigue."

    Went to a lymes specialist after who put me on a wild bunch of antibiotics for a while. Pretty much saved my life. I can't describe in accurate words how lymes made me feel. People in my family were even telling me I was being lazy and needed to get off the couch. All I did was work and then come home and crash for weeks. No one gave a damn but this one doctor.

    Infuriating to think about.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I've heard countless stories like this of people that didn't find the second doctor and died. Hell, my aunt is going to die next week because doctors dismissed her cancer for a whole year because her pain was just being dramatic. Her bone pain, some of the worst there is. Even after diagnosis with terminal cancer, they withheld pain medication compared to her brother who got all he wanted in the same town. We had to watch her scream until we found a doctor that will listen. For people with rejection sensitivity especially they don't even bother going because the odds that the doctors prescribe modern day "hysteria" are considerably high.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    The article has been withdrawn for being inaccurate.

    Retraction notice

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Is it an over-reaction to expect this from doctors in the United States but not elsewhere?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Probably statistically a safe assumption

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    In most times, maybe. But she reported symptoms after it was a known hantavirus outbreak. A more preferable response would have been "well, you don't really match the symptoms, so avoid close contact and get some rest, and we'll run a test anyway".

    Assuming they have the capability to test. I assume it's a limited number of disposable kits. They may have wanted to save them for potential cases that didn't have such mild symptoms, because even if they had tested and confirmed her case, I don't know if they had any treatment options available at that time.

    Edit: and the article has been retracted. Turns out she didn't have hantavirus after all!

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