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Spanning about 71.5 sq m, a flat-packed house will arrive move-in ready, complete with a bedroom, kitchen, independent bathroom – and even preinstalled windows.

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[–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

According to market research firm Mordor Intelligence

Something about these guys makes me not trust them. Dunno what it could possibly be...

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    The windows alone would be $25k where I live

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s a tad disingenuous to compare windows here, and I think $25k is still a bit of an exaggeration.

    $25k would get you top of the line shit and enough area for making a “glass house” of that size when looking at material costs alone.

    Talking triple pane, extra thick, argon filled, tempered and impact resistance panes with a UV filter and any additional cost adders for the (foam filled) anodized aluminum frames.

    Labor costs are another thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I worked on a house that was prefabbed in Indiana and trucked over here where we have tight building regulations. Like all electrical MUST be run through EMT conduit.

    So imagine my surprise when I found a rats nest if Romex in the mechanical closet. None of the wires were even trimmed, it was a tied up ball of wires going into the panel.

    I'd have the same concern getting a cheap house shipped in from overseas. What corners were cut to save money? Who can you call when you discover an issue with the construction 6 months later?

    I see the appeal, I just don't think I'd be comfortable living in it

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Builders also often cut corners when building a standard build-on-site house too. If you have a newly built home, do you really think they're going to take your calls if you find an issue with the construction 6 months later?

    It's probably worse if you order something prefabbed from China where they don't have to worry about their local reputation, and they're far from any legal consequences. But, where I live at least there are a lot of very powerful builders who are extremely well connected to the government. I can't remember them ever facing consequences for shoddy building.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    If you have a newly built home, do you really think they're going to take your calls if you find an issue with the construction 6 months later?

    Yes....because that's how the law works. Builders are on the hook long after construction is complete.

    Furthermore, new construction has MULTIPLE waves of inspections throughout the build which makes detrimental corner cutting a lot harder. You obviously don't get that with prefabs of any kind.

    It doesn't seem like you're very familiar with the industry. Builders get sued every day for problems they caused years ago. If they don't fix it, they get sued. It's part of the reason they're required to have insurance.

    But, where I live at least there are a lot of very powerful builders who are extremely well connected to the government. I can't remember them ever facing consequences for shoddy building.

    There's shitty builders everywhere (Lennar lol) who seem to operate for years with impunity but they're mostly doing full cookie cutter neighborhoods. Builders who do one-offs can be shitty, too, but have a portfolio and reputation for you to consider ahead of time. You just have to trust the images when you buy a house online

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    She attributes the competitiveness of Chinese prefab housing to three key factors: cost, quality and efficiency.

    “China’s well-established supply chains allow us to offer competitive pricing without compromising on quality,” she said

    The YouTube video at the end of the article shows several issues they had with the pre-fab home, which they had to fix themselves after install. Not exactly a quality product. However, for only $25K, I'd expect to do some DIY touch-ups myself.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    fixing stuff in newly built homes is so standard you normally have scheduled visits as soon as you take possession of a home… so having to fix some stuff in these prefabs is not even any worse than buying a regular home

    i'd like to know how they hold in time though

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A friend of mine lived in a hillside neighborhood. Wanted a small ADU (standalone unit, usually pre-fab, for office or in-laws). Reasonably priced prefabs. Since it was on an incline, couldn't just plop it on cement blocks. Got an estimate for a poured foundation. Slab was too heavy. It had to be the lighter kind that traced the exterior edge, with anchors into bedrock to comply with code.

    $300K, just for the foundation.

    Noped right out.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I can't say that really surprises me. Things on a slope really want to be at the bottom of the slope, and it generally takes a lot to convince them otherwise. Also, whether you dig a hole to put the thing partially in or build a platform to put the thing on, it will be more than just putting a slab on more-or-less level ground.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    They could make them even more attractive by shipping them with solar panels and battery backup preinstalled.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Is this again more orphan crushing.machinery?

    Thanks!

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    [–] 60 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    So we solve the housing problem by lowering our standards instead of ending the game played by billionaires with us as pawns?

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  • What are you talking about? This is all fault. They're stealing all of our ! We need reverse taxes for billionaires, where the government gives them money instead of them paying taxes, so some of it will finally trickle down to us. And, we need to deport all the . Make America Magic Again!!

    /SI may not be the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree but I'm not that stupid.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That doesn't even solve anything. Where am I going to put that house? On a parking lot?!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Houses honestly aren't super expensive. Really it's the land their on that typically cost! My house is worth less than the half acre plot it's on. I paid 285k, 160k or so of that is just the land it's on. So if we take 160 + 25k for the prefab house here + assuming 5k delivery minimum and it needs a slab to sit on is another 10k easy your looking at 200k and change before any utilities are hooked up. Probably 220k before you can think about actually living in it (if u were to put on an equivalent plot as my house is on anyhow) and now you have paid nearly 80% of the money as to have a "real" house. Mind you I have a nice attic for storage and a basement as big as my house for storage and a garage to work in with a driveway. These cheap prefab houses sound awesome and cheap untill you add up what it would take to actually live in it. Sure it could be done cheaper than I have in my bullshit example but just goes to show that of all the things required to use this product, by far the prefab house is the cheapest part of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I’m down. Our standards are their revenue streams. Yeah… let me buy a house in such a way that fucks the current real-estate industry just a little bit. What are they going to do if enough people follow along? If it’s bad enough, they will loose money on their real-estate investments. Hopefully, if it’s really bad, they eventually default while we’re all cozy in our “lower standards.”

    I don’t need a big fancy home. I prefer the outdoor air and view anyhow. Not to mention, I’m sure there are passive benefits to not making your home into a den where you can comfortably avoid grass and societal-problems.

    Edit: worst case; they ban foreign home kits like they did with Chinese EVs. This won’t happen overnight, though. If we can create a small movement, then we can use its momentum to fight back when the time comes.

    Gosh… I just really want to see a bunch of people say “fuck it. We’re going to try building our own sovereign common-welfare infrastructure.” Move somewhere remote, find ways to survive as a community, start off like the Amish if you have to. But, effectively, most importantly, remove yourself from the American consumer market.

    That would create a huge fucking tension between your rights as an individual and the big-boys source of income/power. The attention it gets might have more people supporting/joining the community, as a kind of solution they’ve been long looking for.

    There would be tradeoffs. I’m willing to bet that those tradeoffs are reasonable though, if you have a sizable enough community. In fact, I’d go as far to bet that people in this remote community would have better health on average than city dwellers. Given the shit food we’re sold, the abundance of calories and sugar, …

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Spanning about 71.5 sq m, a flat-packed house will arrive move-in ready, complete with a bedroom, kitchen, independent bathroom – and even preinstalled windows.

    I don't think "move-in" ready is accurate if you also need a crane to set the thing up.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Everyone seems to forget how kit houses used to be a thing. They actually still are.

    And I've stayed in a couple Chinese-made prefab container houses used as cabins. First 3-5 years were OK per the owners. Typically, moving parts, like windows and any taps fail first.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why not buy local? China isn't the only place that makes prefab housing.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    Because the cheapest manufactured homes in the US are now 100k shipped from the factory.

    Inflation in the US (i.e. pure greed) is off the charts. People that think manufactured homes are affordable haven't looked in 20 years.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If dooms day prepper shows have shown me the cheapest is just buying those shipping container and burying them unground. Now you got a kick ass under ground house and no one will know where you live when society finally collapses from corporate greed.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Please don't. Containers are strong top to bottom for stacking, not side by side for earthworks. Buried alive is a bad prep.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    I’ve seen many of the pre-made homes, some with (at least styled) shipping containers, on AliExpress. Some of them look pretty interesting.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    How are they on safety and code compliance? How about offgassing of VOCs and other harmful vapors left over from the manufacturing process?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    You'd pay a lot more than 25k for a 750 sq. ft. RV. Quick search suggests RVs typically range from 150-500 sq. ft, so this is 50% bigger than the largest model that range covers.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    So you just buy two RVs, park them next to each other, and then cut a hole between them

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Tow one with the other, and put an articulated section like with long buses

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Install an interdimensional door that just takes you to the other RV

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Well...

    The Marchi Mobile eleMMent Palazzo Superior (approx. $3 million) is a 45-foot, two-story mobile mansion with a master bedroom, spa-like bathroom, and over 730 square feet of space.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    That’s exactly what I did. Bought a 1964 Shasta Astrodome in good shape for $400, currently gutting it for an upgrade/restore. Solar, composting toilet, updated insulation, modern appliances. It’s enough space for one person, two dogs, two cats, a tortoise, and some chickens outside. Most of what’s going into it is second hand materials from places like the Habitat restore and rv scrapyards. There’s also a lot of folks who buy brand new rvs and immediately strip the built in systems like AC that are inadequate for modern giant rvs but perfect for something this small and then sell them unused for cheap. I’ll probably be $5-$8k total by the end. The real cost is the land ($75-$100k for ~.75 acre in the mountains) and the well. Lots aren’t selling as fast as they used to and I’ve noticed more price drops over the last year.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Luxurious restrooms

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    And the human cost of that?

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So a comparison to mobile homes because I was curious. This one is 1 br, 1 bath, 50.7 sq m = 546 sq ft and $40k on sale.

    Above is 71.5 sq m = 770 sq ft.

    So its larger and cheaper than a 1 br. Mobile home. This could be a solution to lack of housing in some places (lower density places where you can get land or a lot). But unless there is financing available (unlikely that banks would cooperate on this) them its going to end up being only a novelty in the US.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is permits and hookup to utilities. Can easily be 6 figures.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yep, I was thinking if you're getting a lot that is already set up for a mobile home then its at least comparable. But if you're just getting some land, then yes for sure. Maybe if you're doing this to extend capacity on an existing property. Then you're running into permits and re-evaluations of property taxes.

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    I had a friend order one of these off Alibaba as a lake cabin. It was utter trash, just the most cheapshit fittings in a janky outer shell that doesn't seal well enough to keep mice out, let alone insects. Insulation was almost non-existent, terrible windows, nothing fit well and doors won't close.

    If it lasts 10 years I'll eat a bug.

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