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[–] 52 points 6 months ago (1 child)

You can do better than chrome with Edge. That way two companies are keeping your data secure instead of just one!

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    [–] 85 points 6 months ago* (36 children)

    Obligatory fuck brave. What's wrong with nord exactly?

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    I don't know much about Nord's quality as a service, but I know that they really spearheaded the effort to spread misinformation on how Internet security works (claiming that a VPN would protect the information you enter into a website when HTTPS already does that) via YouTube ad reads. That alone is enough to make me swear off ever using them.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Urgh. I use Mullvad, it's just 5€ per month and so far works great. I hope there's nothing bad I don't know about it. lol

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm under the impression https can be defeated by a man-in-the-middle attack if you're not paying attention. Haven't looked into it recently to be sure if that's still the case or a solved issue, though. But that was one reason to use a VPN while on untrusted wifi, supposedly.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    if you are using http yes, any modern website uses https, in most cases vpn will at least prevent dns hijacking (since unecrypted dns is still the default)

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    No, I'm definitely talking about https. Could be this is no longer a thing tho, I need to look it up.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    afaik there is some metadata leak with https unless you use ECH which most websites do not support

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I think I was thinking of situations where the wifi owner redirects you to their impersonation site with their own cert, but a normal browser will pop up a big warning about that. Also if the site properly uses HSTS and you've been there on that machine before, then you're protected from being directed to a http impersonation site. A VPN will protect you from both (assuming the VPN us trustworthy), but if you're savvy you don't need it. But then the type of person who needs the kind of simplified explanation for "why VPN" that you get in ads is not savvy.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Nord is a company that spends a lot of money on ads. They pay a lot of youtubers. In general, when a company uses most of their money on ads, they tend to get as much users as possible while not spending a lot of money on quality. I don't trust those companies.

    Friends of mine say it's fine. But they don't have anything else as reference. I can't say for certain, but Nord isn't the safest and most private VPN out there. Also some VPN providers log traffic, which can be confiscated with a court order. Again, I'm not sure if this is the case with Nord.

    I myself use Proton, which is completely privacy based. Their company changed to become a foundation to ensure their privacy focus no matter who might be in power in the future. Their prices are fair, their services are good. They don't spend money on ads, they spend all their effort and resources into making internet a better place.

    As soon as companies are sponsors for many youtubers, I don't trust them.

    For instance, opera used to be an awesome browser made by a Norwegian team. They sold it to a Chinese company that provides predatory loans in poor African countries, completely destroying family's lives. They promote the shit out the browser, while it also saves your data and uses your machine to farm crypto. Evil as fuck.

    While the original creators of opera started a new browser which is how they believe it should be: private, your property, full of personalization, no bullshit. It's called Vivaldi. But they don't promote it like Opera does. Because they are honest and don't want to waste resources while they can better use that for improving their product even more.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's backed by fascist psychopath Peter Thiel and it, at least for a long time, promoted a crypto scam as a main browser feature.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Additionally to the other two replies, Brave also injected referral IDs to an URI when you directly typed it in. Allegedly it was a mistake and they put it behind a toggle:

    Also, per default the new tab page shows advertisements in the background. Firefox does also show ads on the new tab page in the link grid, so it's a bad thing both do and you can disable it on both. But with an almost-full-window sized ad Brave managed to make that worse still.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Essentially nothing. People on here tend to be alarmist when it comes to it, but when you actually dig into the negative claims, they are all either vastly overblown or misconstrued.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Not sure why you deleted this but I just found out Mullvad doesn't support open VPN which is a deal breaker for me because I use a few different apps via docker with their traffic routed through https://hub.docker.com/r/qmcgaw/gluetun

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I use Mullvad with Gluetun, works fine? I am currently using docker compose and container network mode for routing traffic through it

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Someone else already talked about mulvad. But you can use wireguard with gluetun, but the configuration is a little annoying as you need to download the configuration file and grab the key from inside the file.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks. Will keep that in mind. I've spent too much on VPNs recently but when I near subscription lapse(s) I will strongly consider Mullvad.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    From what I saw on others VPNs it's not the cheapest but it's also not the most expensive but mulvad puts those money to use for the community for both privacy and security, check their blog for more

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Gotcha. I made the mistake of signing up for years on a meh VPN because it was cheap. Then after some issues I started a trial of Nord. It was better so I wish hadn't subscribed to the other one for so long, since I probably wasted at least $100 on that fiasco.

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    [–] 38 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    What's the thing you replaced with NordVPN? Just so I know to avoid it, of course.

    Also, I'm not sure if you're doing the same, but I collect all data about myself, including metadata, and mail it directly to the NSA. Just saves them the hassle.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Finally, finally, I can answer something. I recognize the logo.
    https://obscura.com/

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Is this better than mullvad? I've had nord for a while but finally cancelled and am going to get a new one when my sub expires.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Seems like Obscura uses mullvads exit servers so I would imagine it would be a similar level of anonymity. Can't speak on feature parity though, that will have to come from someone who has used both services.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Doesn't even support Android/iOS, still in its infancy, and the benefits it provides are not really needed unless you're a high-profile individual in which case you should just use Tor + WebTunnel.
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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I'm on the same boat as you. Have had Nord for 2 years and 10 months, out of which the 10 months has been from me just sharing my link to people that wanted a VPN. I used to like them, then they started pushing bullahit on Android like not allowing me to just refuse notifications. Granted, after a shotload of complaining they finally gave me a link to an apk that did allow me to keep it's notifications off without constantly nagging me to enable them, but that was the last straw. My subscription finally ends on May 13th. I'm on a family plan on Proton, so now I use that. The only benefits of a VPN for my needs are geoblocks and if I ever need to use a public Wifi, and even then, o usually just VPN into my home via wireguard anyway.

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    [–] 73 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Yes, Google Chrome installs AI locally without consent automatically, Brave forces you to use their cloud services.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Can you tell me more about brave and what you mean?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    When you launch Brave for the first time, it will push a lot of services like Brave News, Brave AI, their video call platform etc., all cloud services. Technically, they're all open source, but I wouldn't trust them. They have released a separate version, though, which keeps all this things disabled, which is paid on every platform except Linux builds.

    Still, Brave is a whole lot better than Chrome, but I wouldn't trust either.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Brave was created by an anti LGBT asshole

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  • [+] -21 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Do you know the stance of the Firefox (or other browser) creators on LGBT rights?

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah, Firefox fired the anti-lgbtq asshole when his donations came to light. So then he went and founded Brave.

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  • [+] -23 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    So they fired one anti-LGBT person when he became high-profile (CEO). What about everyone else?

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    What is it you're looking for us to validate?

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The point I'm making, which you don't have to validate, is that boycotting a free product because the CEO is some kind of shithead is pointless. The new CEO of Mozilla is most likely a different kind of shithead, but one who was better at covering their tracks. A bunch of the developers are probably shitheads, because there's a proportion of shitheads everything.

    Boycotting those products which were made by shitheads is impossible unless you boycott everything, besides being pointless. Boycotting only those products which were made by confirmed, publicised shitheads is arbitrary and so even more pointless.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It is not pointless.

    Using a product gives its creator legitimacy. If that creator is a shithead, you’ve (in part) chosen to give that shithead a pedestal to speak from and have their words heard.

    Mozilla get to speak with authority partially because they’ve been in the browser game since nearly its inception and partially because they’ve have a user base. If either of these things were not so, who would care?

    If you don’t like what any of the major players are doing, you can grab an open source alternative, switch to a different browser engine and upset the metrics.

    You decry people being arbitrary for drawing a line, but yourself are doing so from the other direction. Your refusal to take a position leaves you in an arbitrary place.

    Life is too complex and nuanced to search for a hard line in everything. And things are always shifting. You can have morals the compel you, and so long as you make a good-faith effort and are willing to listen when people you disagree with also make good-faith arguments, then you’re doing alright.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Using a product gives its creator legitimacy

    I reject that completely, at least as far as their views on unrelated things might be concerned.

    It's like saying you should stop using Linux because doing so lends legitimacy to Linus' abusive behaviour (or that it did so, I believe he's more chill these days).

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Sure, fine. We can go with that, if you like.

    Then my core point still stands; using a service gives the creator/owner of that service a platform to speak from.

    Do note that the line between related and unrelated can be quite faint and blurry. How do you decide where it is?

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Like I guess I'll just throw my computer in the lake since no matter what I do, a shithead probably had a part in it at sometime or an other. But since that's dumb, I guess I can at least refuse to use things that are done by known shit heads, especially when the company doesn't seem to care that they are.

    Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Are you okay with a politician being an out in the open Nazi just because some politicians are probably nazis but hiding it.

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago

    Making yourself a slave to the caprices of news and publicity just doesn't seem a sensible way of living your life.

    Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Are you okay with a politician being an out in the open Nazi just because some politicians are probably nazis but hiding it.

    I figure the politicians who are Nazis but hiding it are gonna be making statements that would disqualify them in my choice of candidate anyway.

    It's a good comparison though because I'd certainly care more about the beliefs of a political candidate whose beliefs are going to affect their decisions which are going to affect me and mine if they get into power, versus someone who contributes in some way to a piece of free software (such as by being its CEO), whose beliefs might, at worst, make that piece of software worse in which case... I'll not use it, I guess?

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Been using LibreWolf browser for a short while now, pretty great if you get rid of some of the more radical features like full data cleansing on each shutdown.

    And it's based on Firefox, not Chromium, which is pretty sweet if you ask me

    Also Vanadium for my phone, came preinstalled with GrapheneOS and I have no reason to change it, it's really good too

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago

    always lol @ brave

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    What’s the issue with Signal? I haven’t heard of any actual vulnerabilities from their end, just standard phishing on the user side.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Unless you're the government, then the issue is just that it works

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    I find this to be 100% accurate and every one should follow this guide to maximize their security

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    whats the one above nordvpn?

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    That is an answer, maybe not an answer you wanted, but still an answer.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Way too expensive, the clients are proprietary except for the Linux one, and the amount of sponsorships they do just make them look more suspicious than anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    How is NordVPN expensive? I had it for almost 3 years and turned out to be about US$2.80 per month for me.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's a corporation. It is inherently not private. Your government will always be able to get its data. NSA can be presumed to log its activity, whether or not the corporation itself does.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Nothing. It's rumors and hearsay. Probably the only negative is an alleged data breach, but that is not confirmed.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    ...thanks for replying

    Whats the rumours and hearsay?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Some people claiming they log data, but they're mixing it up with other VPN services that actually have been caught logging data. Some people have a problem with their refund policy, but they're trying to get one after like 6 months or something stupid like that... come on.

    Stupid little things.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    You're glowing

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