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[–] 23 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

I'm a big fan of GNOME for the opposite reason, I like the default workflow and use it completely vanilla. If you're going to tweak it you may as well use KDE, but the vanilla GNOME workflow is actually pretty great if you embrace it fully as it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Does it have taskbar icons yet?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    In vanilla GNOME, you can turn on Window List system extension which is like Windows' task bar and shows your open apps. It also has a system tray, if that's what you mean. Obviously you can add a lot of other stuff with user extensions.

    I also use GNOME pretty vanilla and like it that way. I add the Tiling Shell extension though, just to snap windows to corners and not just sides. That's the one thing I'd prefer.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I like Gnome and have been using it as long as I've been using Linux. The best part of open source is you can use whatever works best for you.

    What I do wonder is why people who don't like it need to remind everyone they don't on any Gnome thread.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    because they make bold , divisive design choices. Also, this title is worded in a conflictive way, so people come in here to gripe about the parts of gnome they dislike.

    I've said it before in this thread, I hate what they are doing, but I'm glad they're doing their own thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yep, GNOME isn't for me and that's okay. I probably should give it another try some point soon. I think last I tried was 2022. And every significant update several addons would break for days and weeks. Maybe it's gotten better in the last 4 to 5 years. But when it comes to customization I don't need any KDE addons. It just works outside the app menu bar MacOS like setting.

    I had a good laugh the other day though about the questionable 14 year old decision that the gnome team made that has left their users confused and unable to log out in many cases.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I probably should give it another try some point soon. I think last I tried was 2022. And every significant update several addons would break for days and weeks.

    well, it might have gotten more stable, but when I tried it on Nyarch, it has only gotten more gnomish in the intervening time.

    Admittedly, Nyarch probably didn't help it look more "serious" but I think the general design principles of gnome were similar to when I installed it accidentally on debian 13.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    I like GNOME apps. I don't like the DE that much.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Funny, for me it's the exact opposite. The design language of most of the apps is stupid. I'm on a PC. I have a mouse and a widescreen monitor. Why does the app have a single column smartphone app layout where everything is gigantic and the right mouse button is never used for anything?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Welcome to the losing side, I guess. At least an ancient egyptian would enjoy the fact that we've regressed to using hieroglyphs instead of proper written words in our menu systems.

    "Press the hamburger menu in the upper corner" "the what now?" "Press the three horizontal lines in the upper corner and then look for the cogwheel" compared to "Press "File" in the upper corner and then choose "Settings"".

    If making design and aesthetics easier in multiple languages means regressing to hieroglyphs that change meaning depending on context, then I rather have a menu that grows a bit unseemly when using a language with longer words than English.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I can't use apps with hamburger menus. They're trash.

    What a lazy fucking design. We used to have menu bars, abd I still feel macos is the only OS that uses them correctly.

    They only exist because websites can't change the menu bar, and phone apps are lazily implemented.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    the right mouse button is never used for anything?

    I'm curious, what exactly would you want RMB to do? And the reasons why it's not used much is twofold, lack of discoverability and touch based device compatibility (which isn't just phones btw).

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Open context menus.

    I know the reasons. I do not agree with the reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Most GNOME apps do use context menus though, there's nothing about adwaita or gtk that blocks this.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The blockers are in Gnome's design guidelines, which many Gnome-related apps tend to follow.

    The quintessential app I am thinking of here is Bottles, which has one of the worst UIs I've had the displeasure of using in recent memory.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    The blockers are in Gnome's design guidelines

    And yet most gnome apps use context menus... They're just not a priority given that any functionality in a context menu needs to be duplicated elsewhere so that people can find it. This isn't just a gnome thing btw, it's the way UI everywhere is going: Hamburger menus all the way down.

    bottles

    I like it, i use lutris though because i don't care for the sandboxing.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    But have you heard of Niri?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Blg fan of fedora atomic Cosmic been my daily for awhile but ran into a show stopper bug (for me) with release 44

    So as wait on that resolve thought I'd try KDE again, and it just felt so busy & cluttered lol

    Back to Silverblue with few tweaks and it feels just like home. Simple, beautiful, elegant & snappy

    Gnome is fantastic indeed, no hurry to leave

    We each have our personal zen, options are good

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago*

    I would possibly upvote this if it were just a GNOME customization guide, and if it didn't try to insist that "GNOME is good, actually."

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    The copium is strong in this one.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    alternate title: "gnome is actually good--once you get rid of most the 'gnome-ness' with these thirteen extensions"

    and it is... and it also isn't. once you turn gnome into a kde clone, the kde is gonna run circles around your extension-laden desktop.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    an application with an odd name, designed entirely to easily install and update the Firefox GNOME Theme, which transforms Firefox (or LibreWolf, in my case) into something that much more closely resembles a GNOME/libadwaita application

    When I used to be around in reddit once read a post or a comment from someone who claimed to be a gnome dev calling for a direct port of firefox to wayland to solve all of those gui kit issues once and for all.

    Someone else said such thing was not possible - you can port gui apps' kits to gui kits, not to desktop rendering engines - but a few days ago I also read something about developing an app directly on wayland and that it would be really difficult.

    At this point I don't know what to believe but if this can be done it would be awesome. It's kind of funny that the linux version of firefox, written in gtk, needs extra stuff to look good and integrated even in freaking gnome

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    developing an app directly on wayland and that it would be really difficult.

    yes it would - you'd just end up reimplementing work from projects like SDL and gtk, this is why we invented libraries.

    firefox and gtk

    firefox is gtk3 based, which is substantially different from gtk4, and moreso adwaita. there's some discussion about porting to gtk4, but for large projects like these shit is slow moving - just look at how long steam is taking to port their client to wayland.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    For me, GNOME for trackpad/touchscreen and KDE for mouse/keyboard. Just updated to 50 on my FW13 (Fedora), it works well but prolly should've waited because I use a few extensions. In time, I want to configure Niri, but uni comes first 🥲

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Ok but being good out of the box where i dont have to fuck with it is better. Gnome 3 is a mess.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Until gnome fixed the issue where their logon screen runs as a separate user that can't verify Thunderbolt devices, I couldn't use Gnome if I wanted to.

    And Gnome looks very nice, but I don't think I could develop apps for GTK4, they need to get their asses on finishing it and making it actually work.

    I tried it out. I ran into constant framework side errors and gaps.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And Gnome looks very nice

    gnome looks like an ipad alternate UI made for kids.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's why I like it) Simple, accessible, big buttons, high-quality icons. Personally I use KDE when on GNU/Linux, but I definitely see what in GNOME would appeal to people sharing a computer with grandparents or children, or people who value design aesthetics more than extra functionality.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I am 100% supportive of Gnome users and devs, and its right to exist. My opinion is that it looks the way it does and I wanted to share it. Some people prefer it for various reasons, and I think the reasons why I dislike it is why people like it.

    I'll say one thing as a positive; at least it's doing something different, which is nice. I just don't like the different that it's doing.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    appeal to people sharing a computer with grandparents or children

    it's near perfect for them. fewer options, less things to mess up, and the big fat buttons for the few things they might want to run (and everything else tucked out of the way).

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    I like KDE Plasma because it uses the same old Desktop paradigm that we've all been used to for decades, which GNOME doesn't have. I really hate its default desktop. I feel it's missing too many features.

    What I DO love about GNOME is the limited configurations. (Yeah, I know. Super weird coming from a Linux or KDE user.) I find KDE has WAY too many customizations to a fault. GNOME is more focused. I really enjoyed using GNOME 2 and MATE. It was just perfect.

    With the proper extensions, GNOME can be a great Desktop. The best example I can think of is Zorin OS. They really did a great job of customizing it into a more standard experience.

    But when a desktop environment needs so many extensions to make it (in my opinion) useable, then the environment is a failure. KDE Plasma is ready to go out of the box.

    Again, that's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I actually like Gnome's paradigm. But I also used CDE-style desktops for quite a long time, so I'm not really locked to the Windows ways. I would say Gnome is CDE inspired, but with the weird activities fuckery.

    Ultimately, Gnome is just too lacking in customization. No panel, no notification area, window switching behavior... I have to install extensions for basic functionality. Which is fine at first glance, but then I have to be careful with updates when a new version is released, until the extensions update. Then I have to chase new extensions for the ones that are really lagging or cease development. Which happens a lot, because most people seem to get sick of dealing with that shit and stop using Gnome at some point.

    Honestly, if Gnome would let me show the panel when docked and banish it to activities when undocked, I could probably live with all the rest. Also, have they fixed reversal of swipe gestures when you reverse scroll direction? That's just absurdly bad UX, which is actually out of character. We might disagree with a lot of UX decisions from the Gnome project, but they're usually refined and precise. The swipe gesture issues are just plain broken, or were, it's been a couple years since I've used it.

    KDE is just too much, and there's quirky stuff I'm really not fond of. I'm using it now, have been for about 6 months now, which is by far the longest I have going back to trying it occasionally starting back in the late 90's.

    I'm excited for Cosmic, I used that for a good stretch, and it might be time to give it another try soon. I'm also excited for my old friend XFCE, and some other mid-weight DEs, finally finding their way to Wayland.

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